A jam packed episode on health, fitness and business during and post COVID lockdown.

 

Mark is joined by Enterprise Senior Coach, former paratrooper and Afghanistan combat veteran, Adrian Faranda.

They cover a whole heap of topics, including:

• ISO survival tips, including mindset tricks, grocery staples, bulk shopping and quarantine workouts
• Recommendations on how to make the most out of lockdown for those working in the fitness industry
• Top immune boosting tips and tricks to stay fit and healthy

Watch the episode to hear Mark and Adrian have a right old giggle together, and enjoy some epic army stories too.

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Transcript for CoronaVirus: How to Handle Life, Health & Business

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MARK:

Welcome to the Wolf’s Den. We have a special edition for you, COVID-19 edition. I have Adrian, senior coach and enterprise coach, here, joining me in the studio. How are we going Adrian today?

ADRIAN:

Good, good. Fun day to be here. Interesting topic. Very relevant.

MARK:

We’ve implemented some social distancing rules here as well.

ADRIAN:

Yeah.

MARK:

Sitting eyeballing to eyeballing.

ADRIAN:

Yep.

MARK:

It’s not just because I think you smell, but-

ADRIAN:

Yeah.

MARK:

You smell.

ADRIAN:

I do.

MARK:

But you know I can use the social distancing.

ADRIAN:

I’ll say I’ll keep that social distancing if I stink like shit. No one will stand near me and I won’t get Covid.

MARK:

Yeah. 100%.

ADRIAN:

So, joke’s on you mate.

MARK:

All right man. So what’s been going on?

ADRIAN:

Yeah, not much. Yeah, I just think a… Interesting topic. The stuff that’s really not being shared is a survival guide to self isolation. Not many people have been through it before and I’ve experienced it a number of times.

MARK:

Oh yeah?

ADRIAN:

Yeah.

MARK:

Because you were in the army, and I mean we’ve spoken about this on podcasts before.

ADRIAN:

Yes.

MARK:

You’ve been in submarines? No?

ADRIAN:

No. No submarines.

MARK:

No Submarines for you.

ADRIAN:

Naval ships pause about 10 days, but 10 days on a Naval ship is about six months in the real world. It’s fucking horrible. I mean, living in the space of like 90 people, it’s like five bunks.

MARK:

Yeah. But I imagine a submarine must be [crosstalk 00:01:20].

ADRIAN:

Submarines, you get weirdos. No they’re not all right. Just not right. Yeah, that’s not right. It’s not good for you. Isolation isn’t good.

MARK:

What are they called one’s in sub marines?

ADRIAN:

Submariners.

MARK:

You’ve met a few submariners in one time?

ADRIAN:

Yeah, I’ve met one guy who transferred and I worked with him and he said, “Yeah, they’re fucking weirdos. It’s a horrible job, hated it.”

MARK:

I imagine it would be, because they’re not big, are they?

ADRIAN:

Yeah.

MARK:

They are so small.

ADRIAN:

It’s a tube at the bottom of the ocean. It’s horrible.

MARK:

There’s no view.

ADRIAN:

There’s no light.

MARK:

No light, no view.

ADRIAN:

No view.

MARK:

No cable TV.

ADRIAN:

No cable TV.

MARK:

No WIFI.

ADRIAN:

Yeah.

MARK:

I mean that’s isolation taken to another level.

ADRIAN:

They’re probably the best people to go to, them and astronauts. They’re probably the top, like down, below and up above. They’re probably the best people at it.

MARK:

I mean, if I had to pick one, I’d definitely be the astronaut more than submariner. There is nothing there that sounds fun. At least as an astronaut you can look outside.

ADRIAN:

You can just makes you feel like a bunch of racists too. It’s not like, nice people living out here, like a bunch of racists crammed in a can.

MARK:

Weird people huh?

ADRIAN:

Yeah.

MARK:

Bit like baked beans with humans inside instead of beans. Alrighty. So what laid on me, Mr isolation. What makes you an isolation expert?

ADRIAN:

Well, I’d say probably the whole, the two deployments I’ve been on make me an isolation expert.

MARK:

Two deployments.

ADRIAN:

Two deployments.

MARK:

Where was deployment one?

ADRIAN:

So first one was East Timor. So that was six months, but there was three months then I had a two week break where I came back to Australia and then went back for another three.

MARK:

Right.

ADRIAN:

So in that, both spaces, I mean we probably lived in a building no bigger than this one for about 30 people. So, and our beds were back to back and the only separation we had was like a mozzie dome tent.

MARK:

Right.

ADRIAN:

And that was just to keep mosquitoes out.

MARK:

So you were sleeping alone? Washing alone, cleaning alone?

ADRIAN:

We were all together. But I mean, we’re all isolated in that one. Like we can’t just walk out the front gate, you know what I mean? It was all in that barracks.

MARK:

So you guys like I just had visions of like you guys playing monopoly.

ADRIAN:

Yeah, a hundred percent. It was just like, it was board games, it was being board games.

MARK:

Being board games?

ADRIAN:

You just end up coming up with stupid shit. An environment where there’s so many mid 20 year old males. It’s going to be like…

MARK:

Any females?

ADRIAN:

No we had no females at that base and two at my one in Afghanistan. One was a cook and one was retail. And there was about 90 people at the one in Afghanistan. And that was even more isolated in terms of we just didn’t move out as much.

MARK:

So when you say you isolated you weren’t necessarily isolated as you as a person.

ADRIAN:

Not as a person but you are still living in a confined space.

MARK:

But you were isolated from confined space, no Netflix, no internet.

ADRIAN:

No, no Netflix. But this streaming services weren’t even a thing then. And in East Timor, there was no internet at all.

MARK:

Yeah. Food was very limited. No cafes.

ADRIAN:

Yeah, no cafe. The food was what we got given, but from the cooks. And food in Afghanistan was awesome actually because I work on a budget. So it was like we’ve got lobster duck all the time. It was fantastic. It was unreal.

MARK:

Lobster duck?

ADRIAN:

Yeah, so you have a budget and you just, we’ve just asked the chefs what we wanted and then they would just get it. So they’ll just send boxes of snickers boxes. You know, we had lobster would come through when it was fresh enough and yeah, roast lambs and things like that.

ADRIAN:

But again, it was a structured meal timing, you didn’t get to request what you had.

MARK:

How many meals a day would you eat ?

ADRIAN:

It would be three sit down meals. So breakfast we will cook ourselves in Afghanistan. So we just helped ourselves to the kitchen and cook a few eggs. A few of us would get together and make it.

MARK:

So what similarities in isolation have you gotten from? Cause I mean I know my end, I kind of feel like it’s kind of different. You’re isolated but it’s almost different context. Whereas, here you…

ADRIAN:

I’d say, same but different. So you don’t have the freedom to go outside.

MARK:

In Afghanistan?

ADRIAN:

In Afghanistan or even in East Timor.

MARK:

Right.

ADRIAN:

It’s like, it’s a reporting system of going outside. You just don’t go walk out the front gate for no reason. The fact that you are..

MARK:

So you don’t really see sunlight?

ADRIAN:

No you do see sunlight. So it’s not an enclosed base. It’s just pretty much a sectioned off area in the middle of the desert in Afghanistan, same house, it was like an old rundown bank with just barbed wire around it. That was our base in East Timor.

MARK:

So you could go outside to get sun, but it’d be in [crosstalk 00:05:23]

ADRIAN:

Exactly right. It just be like going in your backyard essentially.

MARK:

Right. Gotcha.

ADRIAN:

So it’s just like the same area for five and a half months in Afghanistan.

MARK:

There’s fuck all the way. Like there’s nothing to do.

ADRIAN:

There’s nothing. There’s nothing near we had, and this is where you started. Exactly right. This is like, there’s just no freedom. Like the same restrictions that we have now. The biggest ones I find to be similar is people who do live with housemates and partners as well. How much living in close quarters with someone can actually affect you. So that’s probably the one thing that people don’t realize how if this goes on for a long time, how that’s going to play on people.

MARK:

But again, I’m going to say that it’s different living with say significant other or your housemate who’ve lived with say five months to get to know, compared to living with let’s say 30 people who you kind of know.

ADRIAN:

Well you do know, you know these people better because you’ve done this before. You know what I mean? Like in my, the guys in my section, like we sleep in the same room.

MARK:

Right.

ADRIAN:

You know what I mean? We trained together for years. I knew these guys for years.

MARK:

So you can call these guys up now today and be like, hey, what’s going on?

ADRIAN:

Yeah, I do that every now and again as well. And it’s just like, hey, what’s happening? It’s like you walk into him in the street and we’ll be like, hey, what’s, you know what I mean?

MARK:

They’re still pretty good friends of yours and all this kind of stuff.

ADRIAN:

Yeah, always. And it’s just like, you might not always be in touch, but there’s always still that connection.

MARK:

I’d imagine there is some people in that group, there’s a couple that you never want to see again as well.

ADRIAN:

Yeah, a hundred percent and that’s the way these things go out of control. And it’s like always reflecting back on that. I’m like, how did that go so wrong? Cause it seems like when you look back at it now, it’s like little things that like just snowball.

MARK:

Do you have an example?

ADRIAN:

Yeah, I have a great example. This was in particular to probably someone that I worked very close with over there and you just, one of the biggest things and I would say is you notice when someone starts to become, it might not even be, I would consider selfish acts.

ADRIAN:

So when you don’t do things for the greater good of everyone in your environment, when it’s a confined space and everyone’s living out of the same space, you really start to resent that person and start to see all their flaws. And then they really start to piss you off. So I’ve seen it explode in a horror way. So for an example…

MARK:

So for example, maybe there’s four kilos of chicken and I want to eat six meals a day, so I have three of those kilos in one day. Let’s just say for instance.

ADRIAN:

Yeah, exactly right.

MARK:

And everyone is like man, you just ate three kilos when we got a kilo left.

ADRIAN:

That’s exactly right. It’d be as simple as even not like, cleaning up after yourself so he doesn’t take out the rubbish enough, kind of thing. It’s like, well, why am I always taking out the fucking rubbish? This guy’s never taken out the fucking rubbish. You know what I mean? It’s just like, and it’s just like something you just don’t think of normally when you’re living just constantly in each other’s space. Then it’s like, that’s really starting to piss me off now. And it’s just like it, it just kind of like snowballs into your complete resentment for someone.

MARK:

So back to your example.

ADRIAN:

Probably the biggest example. So this one didn’t happen to me. This happened to a guy I know at another base while we’re in Afghanistan. When he came back to Australia, he heard a noise on his car and took it to the mechanics and he found a clamp on his brakes and this guy was not easy to get along with. He was a pain in the ass and someone even post the deployment resented him that much. They went to the extent..

MARK:

They tried to kill him.

ADRIAN:

Tried to kill him.

MARK:

Tried to kill him.

ADRIAN:

Tried to kill him putting a clamp on his brakes. That’s how much they pissed him off. So that’s what I mean, living in isolation for five and a half months, if you’re constantly on top of someone and not giving them their own space.

MARK:

I don’t know if you, do you follow Esther Perel?

ADRIAN:

No.

MARK:

Esther Perel is a psychotherapist. She specializes in relationships. She has a Ted talk called state of affairs or rethinking infidelity. She’s written two books, basically talks about couples, infidelity, all this kind of stuff. And she was saying that a crisis of any sort and isolation in these instance is an accelerator. So people who, what you’re going to see is more divorces, more people getting engaged, more people getting married and more people having kids because there’s this whole thing of why wait, we’re in isolation. Why wait? What are we waiting for? Let’s do it, let’s do it.

ADRIAN:

And I’ve seen all those things in both deployments. Like guys, while they’re over there, big purchases while they’re over there, like guys buying boats before they get back. You know what I mean? It’s just like we’re not going over there to be self isolated at the time it was in the midst of a war. So quite understandably a crisis situation, you know what I mean? So it’s like there’s that going on outside. We’re not really thinking about the self isolation part. It’s just something that needs to be managed and there’s, it’s not like we didn’t prepare for that. We prepared for the war side of things.

MARK:

So is there anything that you had being over there or even like this time around with COVID? Do you feel like there’s anything now that you’re like, Oh shit, I’ve got to, I’ve got to do that. I’ve got to…

ADRIAN:

Yeah, well, it’s like things I didn’t think of doing. Like I’ve never thought I had to do action at the time. It’s just the habits I started picking up again. So it was like the one main thing was just like the routine of what you could control. So the routine of what we could control over there was fitness. So number one, everyone had their own, everyone, like even guys who didn’t work out when they were back home started working out and we’re seeing that now again. It’s like now the parks are actually busy. People running all over the place.

MARK:

Parks like not closed.

ADRIAN:

Yeah, exactly right. Everyone’s picking up their fitness activity because it’s such a good stress release. It’s such a good distraction and it’s even a better way to break up your day. And the difference between there and here. What I found is because people are working from home more particularly clients, giving them the structure to actually end their day.

ADRIAN:

So whereas most of the time I’ve been, I train in the morning or mid morning mostly, but now I’m training at the end of the day and I’m suggesting clients do… They get up, do either their walk or run some sort of cardio in the morning just to get things going. Then they get into their daily routine of work and then they have a point of the day where they do their workout. So that signifies the end of the day. So it’s just like you’re actually separating it, so they’re not always on their laptop and not always engaged with words.

MARK:

It’s very good. And then after the workout they can do..

ADRIAN:

After the workout it’s family time. It’s self-development time, personal…

MARK:

That almost explains my day. I haven’t really struggled at all with isolation. I mean I have realized about myself. I do like people more than I think I do. When I am alone I can go away and whenever I don’t need people, blah, blah, blah. But actually now, I’ve found that actually I do like coming into enterprise and seeing everyone saying hello and just having that personal interaction.

ADRIAN:

I have always [inaudible 00:12:01] How much I hate people. This is great. Yeah, it’s hard to look at you right now without getting angry.

MARK:

It’s like that Chinese proverb about how when a happy dog walks into the house of a thousand mirrors and sees a thousand happy dogs staring back at it. And when the sad dog, you walk into it sees a thousand sad faces staring back. What you put out into the world, you get back.

ADRIAN:

I have a thousand mirrors in my house, I’m always smiling, so that’s fine. That guy’s really good looking.

MARK:

But on a serious note, I’ve noticed that I actually do value quite a lot, but you know what I’ve been doing, and it’s funny people, I think in times of crisis, in times of isolation, they revert back to their comforts. And I think I’ve very much reverted back to my creativity of, let me take on a big problem. So I’ve actually started writing a book. I’m 24,000 words deep and doing some interesting stuff there. But I start my day, I write and write to the point where I just can’t focus anymore on what I’m writing and my writing starts to turn to garbage. Then I get up and go train.

ADRIAN:

It’s about 15 minutes.

MARK:

But it’s nice.

ADRIAN:

But I think that’s a good way to do it, is being task orientated, not time orientated as well. So it’s like you’ve got, you can, you’re not fixed having to travel through traffic. And it’s like, all right, I’m in the mindset to be able to do this right now. Say write programs for clients. I’m in the mindset to do these calls right now. Do those calls, you know what I mean? And it’s able to be task orientated instead of just like, hour orientated.

MARK:

So eyes to the king, what else are you got?

ADRIAN:

Eyes to the king. Yeah, the meal structure as well. That’s a big one. So people at home now it’s like, Oh, I can eat whenever I want and then they don’t eat or they’re eating too frequently. It’s actually still, it’s the best time to get on top of having a structured meal plan.

MARK:

So what would your, what are your recommendations for them?

ADRIAN:

Whatever works for you. It’s like when you wake up then…

MARK:

But whatever works for you is the opposite of having an instruction plan.

ADRIAN:

Oh, but I mean it’s just like, in terms of timings, I’ll say have the times, if you want to have five meals a day, you want to have four meals a day. If cause you’re not moving as much, you want to do three meals a day.

MARK:

Basically the way you just do it is y’all, I’m going to wake up at seven o’clock, I’m going to eat breakfast at eight o’clock, I’m going to have my mid morning meal at 11, 11:30…

ADRIAN:

Yeah, exactly right. It’s like, the way I do it is I’ll set my first meal timing and then base it off hours after that. And usually I let it flow into having the family meal, turning it around five and then I usually have something after that before.

MARK:

That’s a really early dinner.

ADRIAN:

What’s that?

MARK:

Five o’clock.

ADRIAN:

Yeah, well I started cooking all five. [crosstalk 00:14:40] Yeah, exactly right. Yeah, a little one. We’re getting like heavy. It’s pretty much five o’clock is nights routine. And that’s like a next hour and a half.

MARK:

You make the pasta sauce?

ADRIAN:

Yeah. I did make tomato sauce the other day.

MARK:

I fucking knew it.

ADRIAN:

Some tomatoes from my dad’s garden.

MARK:

So we’ve got routine. You got what times you wake up, you got your meal time. What else we got?

ADRIAN:

Yeah. So the routine one’s covered. The other one is being kinetic in this time. So this is the one that interests you. You like this one. I know you are going to love this one.

MARK:

Kinetic sand. You ever played with some kinetic sand.

ADRIAN:

So actually I have some. It’s fantastic. So kinetic is…the concept of it is basing off the law of physics. It’s where it’s like something’s traveling with enough momentum. So initially you want to be kinetic, you want to be traveling with enough momentum that little things don’t bother you. But it also means that when something with an outside force that is really powerful crosses your path, like the COVID crisis, we can’t resist that. So if you’re trying to resist what’s happening right now, it’s going to fuck you over in the end.

ADRIAN:

So what you have to do is go with that force and then change your plan with it. So it’s either have enough momentum, that little shit doesn’t bother you. It doesn’t get in your way. And then it’s like when something big enough comes along, like COVID.

MARK:

You know what a visual metaphor I have for this right now?

ADRIAN:

What?

MARK:

Have you ever seen the movie Tron or Tron legacy? It’s like, and then like, so you’re coming towards me. If we go directly into each other, we’re going to just shut that shit down. Like we can’t, that’s the visual metaphor.

ADRIAN:

Exactly right. You’ve got to go with it or you’re just going to fucking crush it. Explode.

MARK:

What’d you call it?

ADRIAN:

Kinetic.

MARK:

Kinetic.

ADRIAN:

Yeah. We’ll change it to Tron. The Tron.

MARK:

Tron. Law of Tron.

ADRIAN:

Law of Tron.

MARK:

So be law of Tron right now.

ADRIAN:

Be kinetic. So it’s just like, and it comes to that part of like humility with it as well. So it’s like, I’m like, no, nah, I’m just going to tough it out.

MARK:

Go through the wall.

ADRIAN:

Fucking go straight through that wall. You are just going to end up coming of the…

MARK:

It’s game over.

ADRIAN:

It’s game over, exactly right.

MARK:

I do like it. I do like it.

ADRIAN:

I knew you’s love that one.

MARK:

It’s really good.

ADRIAN:

Be kinetic, be Tron.

MARK:

It’s just that thing of picking your battles. It’s more than that. You know, there’s this concept that you’re very familiar with from someone who we both love, which is Jocko Willink’s. The idea of extreme ownership. That’s like everything. I’m responsible for everything. But also when you say that I’m responsible for everything there is, on the flip side of that, actually you’re not responsible for it.

ADRIAN:

Actually. It’s not.

MARK:

You’re not that good. You know, it’s like the world doesn’t spin because of you. You did not make COVID-19, you did not do this. Like you’re actually not that good. So taking a step back and go, Oh well maybe, maybe 50% is me, but the other 50% is actually how I respond to it. And I think that the kinetic aspect of it is letting go of some of those things, not dismissing yourself and dismissing responsibility, but realizing there’s that outside force that you just, you’re not going to get through that wall. So you’ve got got to be like Tron and make that deviation.

ADRIAN:

And this is that, that whole, this is the whole part and this is a big one that plays into that. And this is the consumption and spread of information as well. So it’s like around this time, and this is the exact same things that I see when happens when we’re overseas, it’s like, oh, we’re going to be changing this. We’re going to be going home at this time. Or the [inaudible 00:18:05] space is changing there. And it’s like until I hear it from a source or you know, a commander tells us this is exactly what we’re going to do on this date, then it doesn’t exist at that point.

ADRIAN:

So it’s like you hear a lot of reporting in the media, is the Swedish model better where they open everything up and let’s go for herd immunity and just suffer the losses now or is this better? It’s like, well most of us are not in a position to make that change, so there’s not much we can do about it. So if you’re resisting, it’s like now you know what? We should be doing it this way. We should be doing it that way. Getting on your keyboard and just venting your frustration with Scott Morrison, it’s like, well this is a policymakers time to be under stress. That’s a stress that we actually can’t control. It’s a stress we don’t have to deal with.

MARK:

You know, it’s interesting you say that, cause the way I approached this was with the same philosophy and thought process. I want to be doing evergreen activities now. Do you know the term evergreen?

ADRIAN:

No.

MARK:

So evergreen basically like if you talk about in marketing, right? Let’s say for example, you did a post on how to get fit in COVID-19 right? If you did that post, then it’s only relevant for right now. Right? The minute COVID-19 is over, it’s done. So a lot of what I’ve seen a lot of businesses, not just fitness related, but they’re doing a lot of a temporary situational things. And I thought to myself, this will pass. I don’t want to do, I could spend my time doing a lot of situational things or I could spend my time doing a lot of evergreen things.

MARK:

And that’s what led me to the conclusion of actually to start writing a book. Because if I write this, then this is going to last me for 10, 15, 20 years. I don’t have to redo that because of the situation at hand. So yeah, a hundred percent to your point at evergreen, like until you hear it from the commander controlling the situation, my mind frame has been, create evergreen content, be evergreen. To learning new skills, learning whatever it is at the moment. I’m actually learning about, have you seen master class?

ADRIAN:

Yes. That’s awesome.

MARK:

It’s pretty good man.

ADRIAN:

Let’s get ads for them.

MARK:

Chris Voss, invest in his stuff. It’s awesome.

ADRIAN:

You’re doing the masterclass.

MARK:

Yeah. With Chris Voss. He’s really good.

ADRIAN:

My last tip for isolation is just being kind. So this is the part of the whole not being selfish thing as well.

MARK:

Wow. I don’t know if you’ve ever been kind to me. So I’m interested, tell me more…

ADRIAN:

I was directing this towards you. So if you’re so oblivious to you not being kind, you’re probably the problem. Just don’t worry if you have a clamp on your break soon.

MARK:

Alrighty. Well…

ADRIAN:

Being kind, try and be kind particularly to those who you live with, do something kind for them every day.

MARK:

What are some kinds of things that you’ve been doing?

ADRIAN:

Like you know, just helping out.

MARK:

Struggling to come up with that…

ADRIAN:

Yeah I know it was just really self-reflected.

MARK:

You sort of on a coaster. You thought, be kind. Yeah be kind, that’s good advice. I’ll put it in my notes.

ADRIAN:

Be nice, don’t be an asshole. Just don’t be an asshole.

MARK:

Just don’t be an asshole. Make someone dinner.

ADRIAN:

Yeah, make someone dinner. Cook for someone ask them how you can help out, do the washing. Don’t be prompted to do something, clean up after yourself. Particularly if you’re living in that [crosstalk 00:21:14]

MARK:

Self awareness.

ADRIAN:

Just self awareness. Exactly right. Everyone’s kind of thinking this, Oh self isolation time. I get to work on myself a lot more, me, me, me. You got to think about other people, particularly if you live in a close proximity with them. So it’s like it’s not, it’s about your little community at that time and how you can improve that space. Right.

MARK:

When you look back on the time you spent at the base, were there’s some kind people there?

ADRIAN:

Yeah. And some assholes too. And again, sometimes you’re going to be an asshole, sometimes you are going to be kind.

MARK:

What’s the kindest thing at the base someone did for you.

ADRIAN:

Geez, I have never really thought, I don’t know, just think some of the stuff we did together as well. Like one time we went out on a patrol and we just made like damper bread together over a fire. Like that was just cool. Like it was just a fun memory. I was just sitting around…

MARK:

It was never made for you

ADRIAN:

No, they kind of did. They just knew how to make it and they made it for everyone. I wasn’t like I’m making my own I’m damper bread. Or we’d do like big cook sessions of just like, it would just be like pasta and spam, just whatever we could get our hands on that wasn’t ration packs. Right. You know what I mean?

MARK:

Yeah.

ADRIAN:

Yeah.

MARK:

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ADRIAN:

Well, what do we want to say about mental health? I think everyone just needs to be aware of it at the moment. Is this going to be a very trying time? Like you said, we’re going to see probably higher divorce rates than ever before.

MARK:

I think the question is, the bigger question with mental health is, is it worth locking everyone down for the risk of mental health?

ADRIAN:

I doubt, yeah. That’s a hard one because it’s like we don’t, do you tie deaths now with that might be a problem, but this is a problem right now.

MARK:

It’s almost certainly will be a problem.

ADRIAN:

Yeah, it certainly will be a problem.

MARK:

But to what extent?

ADRIAN:

Do you think that [inaudible 00:23:41] I don’t think will cause more deaths than what this virus potentially will or the stress that’s put all on the health system.

MARK:

You’ll get suicides per…Was it you who told me that they under-report suicides purposely. Someone was telling me they under-report suicides purposely because if they report the actual true numbers of things like suicides, it becomes almost the normal stat.

ADRIAN:

That prompt..

MARK:

Yes, in some ways like there’s a herd, Oh well it’s not that bad kind of thing. And then it exacerbates the problem further because someone was saying it’s like nine a day or whatever. And then if you’d speak to train drivers or whatever, like it’s one of the most common ways that people neck themselves, just jumping in front of a train. So I mean, no doubt…

ADRIAN:

If you even put it in a statistical point. This isn’t a good point in… it was the guy who wrote sapiens. So in his second book he throws out a few stats and considering how people always thinking like, Oh, this is the worst time to be alive. Everything’s getting changing. Everything’s this where everything’s always been changing. In fact, he kind of points out that it’s the best time to be alive. But one of the stats he throws out is that in terms of conflict and war and murders, you are more likely to die by your own hand than any other type of violence in the world. That’s including every type of like war, conflict, murder.

MARK:

So he includes like car crashes…

ADRIAN:

No he’s more like the if like someone killing themselves more in terms of harm.

MARK:

So suicide is way more than a homicide.

ADRIAN:

Statistically, yes. Way more than any…that’s more deaths than any war, any homicide, way more.

MARK:

So on the topic of mental health and what my question I was trying to get out.

ADRIAN:

You are saying this could lead to more or that’s a big what if.

MARK:

To destroy the economy the way it has, to destroy people’s jobs, to do all these things, you’re putting people like there is on one side the economy issues, there is mental health, there is the on flow effect of that. And then you have COVID-19 and as you said it is a what if and trying to put all of the things into a philosophy, a working philosophy and then one needs to make decisions from well which one actually poses the greater risk? Is it actual the disease or is it the flow on from the disease?

ADRIAN:

I think in terms of like a policymaker and this is what we see now obviously like you got to think how politicians work. They’re working on their next reelection. Is it easier to take? Like do the thing now that saves lives and think of like, cause you can like put the mental health aspect onto, it’s an indirect cost. So it’s like it’s not directly linked to self isolation. You can kind of spread that out and it’s not going to all happen at once. Whereas if they do nothing now and heaps of people are dying as a direct result…

MARK:

Why that rationale. You’re obviously getting off the COVID-19 but this is, I don’t know if you saw, I don’t know. I haven’t paid much attention to like what they’re doing. And you’re saying Sweden, they’ve changed the model.

ADRIAN:

Yes. Sweden and they’re just going, they’re pushing for herd immunity. So the idea is they leave…they’re only protecting the elderly who are at most risk. And you don’t have that lockdown.

MARK:

Do you know how that’s going?

ADRIAN:

Terribly.

MARK:

Terribly.

ADRIAN:

Terribly. They’re looking at that…they’re assuming longterm that there’ll be less death. So per million, they have the most deaths in the world.

MARK:

Is there an end date of when they’re going to like, well, there isn’t.

ADRIAN:

I don’t think anyone does. Like, I mean they’ve just left it open.

MARK:

But did you see what happened in America talking to mental health as well. Have you seen the riots?

ADRIAN:

It’s chaos there though. I don’t, I just think there’s…

MARK:

It’s almost like..

ADRIAN:

They’re just too big a country. It’s like, I just feel like it’s too big. There’s too many different opinions out there. I think number one, they’re probably too entitled. Like it’s like everybody’s entitled.

MARK:

When you say entitled what do you mean?

ADRIAN:

I mean, it’s just like I have the right to be out. I have the right to be getting my hair cut. They are so self absorbed.

MARK:

I love the sign that I saw. It’s Lord give me liberty or give me COVID-19. Wow, that’s one way to look at things.

ADRIAN:

I just, I think the people who are protesting just don’t have a community mindset. It’s, I think it’s a very selfish mindset. I think it’s like, I’m okay with that person dying than… You know what I mean? Than me sacrificing a few weeks in.

MARK:

I think what this comes from is, is the mistrust of information that gets spread.

ADRIAN:

I think the way they deliver has been horrible as well.

MARK:

I mean, this has been a problem. I mean the thing is if the information, if we had information that got disseminated, that was correct, people would be a lot more okay with it because a lot of the time is sciences and your religion, right? People are wanting to say, look at this. Trump is the antichrist or Trump is the new savior or there is really super polarizing ways to look at things.

MARK:

People, they don’t know what to believe, I think. And because of that, they’re like, well, fuck it. You know, the numbers are wrong. The numbers must be wrong. I drove past my local hospital and no one’s in hospital. Therefore, they’re not. I think if they actually saw evidence to the fact that there’d be a lot more believable. I don’t know. Maybe I don’t want to think, I don’t want to think people that selfish to go, well, fuck everyone. Right? Just don’t worry about it. I got to get my haircut and that person can dive that. I don’t want to believe that. I think it really is more to the fact of information that gets spread.

ADRIAN:

Like, Oh, this hospital is barely empty.

MARK:

People are believing that this hospital is empty.

ADRIAN:

And there’s ever had a massive issue of that, of where people are like, hey, this, there’s no one in this hospital and it’s been in one place. It’s like, no, we’re doing that. That’s fine now. It’s like here, it’s like our cases are nowhere near the rest of the world. Is that a result of us being in isolation or let’s say yes.

MARK:

No, I disagree with that. I don’t think it’s a result of us being in isolation. I think it’s a result of Australia being an extremely spread out country. Like we are a big country. We’re huge, so we could isolate what happens in…

ADRIAN:

Population density isn’t a problem.

MARK:

No, it’s not. So I mean you look at Europe, Europe’s had the biggest, one of the biggest problems, right? Well, because people live on top of each other. The idea of having a backyard in Europe is somewhat laughable, but in Australia, if you don’t have a backyard, then you haven’t reached the true Aussie dream. Backyard is quite a normal thing for most Aussies.

ADRIAN:

I mean, is there a link in us with cases from when, cause we had the foresight because it’s obviously going to come here…

MARK:

And this is where Scott Morrison and the Australian government have done a terrible job, I think personally because okay, you see this typhoon of issues that are.

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Mark:

Because, okay, you see this typhoon of issues that are coming a mile away we did as Australians. Shut the airports. Done.

Adrian:

Yeah.

Mark:

Shut the international travel. And instead, how slow to the party was Australia?

Adrian:

Yeah. I think…

Mark:

Let’s let the Italians in because of the Grand Prix.

Adrian:

Yeah, yeah.

Mark:

Now, the F1 team ended up having it. We let what, 13 people from the F1 team who had it and spread the disease. We saw this coming a mile away.

Adrian:

I think, again, that was probably something they were trying to protect the economy. They didn’t want to jump the gun on it.

Mark:

Well, real good job now having closed everything.

Adrian:

But now we’re fine. You’re all right now.

Mark:

Well, no. Our economy is going to suffer, and it’s going to suffer in a big way.

Adrian:

Yeah, but at what cost, you know what I mean? It’s at the cost of lives.

Mark:

But when you look at Australia, so all of Australia we’ve got… I’ve wrote it down. 6,000 on… Oh, it’s on your piece of paper over there, I think. What is it? 6,600? Here, give me my stats. I’ll give you yours. So my stats that I got today as we’ve done the podcast. We’ve got what, 6,687 cases of COVID-19 in all of Australia. And then there’s 5,273 cases that have fully recovered, which means there’s only 1,414 cases that are still out there active. Now, if we’ve locked down for another two weeks, then potentially all those cases are going to be resolved.

Adrian:

Yeah, and that’s what we’re looking at. We’re doing it [inaudible 00:31:26] time where it’s like we’ll assess it in the next three weeks, see how it’s going.

Mark:

But with that said, I suppose my question is… The idea behind this was not to stop the virus. The idea behind it was the flatten the curve. So the curve is flattened. So the idea that let’s keep the kids at home, let’s close all schools-

Adrian:

That’s another thing. They’re slowly going to start reintroducing kids to school now. So my wife being a school teacher, they initially got told, and this is like… I just don’t think anyone knows what’s going on. It’s because we’re kind of learning on the fly. And this is where I was saying just rely on the policymakers. They’ll make the decision, because we’re not in a place to make a decision.

Mark:

Yes, but what happens when the policymakers are incompetent?

Adrian:

Well, what are you going to do about it? Become a politician.

Mark:

Well, I don’t know. That’s a good question. Do we need to protest? Do we need to protest on parliament and make our voices be heard more? I mean, it goes hand in hand with the Australian attitude of she’ll be right, mate. She’ll be right. No, she won’t be right-

Adrian:

No, but it’s like, what’s the protesting going to do?

Mark:

Well, potentially change and push the policymakers to-

Adrian:

Yeah, but I think the civil unrest is probably a worst push.

Mark:

Well there already is civil unrest though.

Adrian:

Nah, here. No way. No one’s protesting here.

Mark:

Well, do you know what they did do? Which I think it would have been a very different outcome if they didn’t do this. Construction hasn’t shut down.

Adrian:

Yeah. It’s a good time to do construction.

Mark:

Think about all the men in construction, some of them having some pretty rough backgrounds. Now if you put all those men on their asses and said, “You know you guys aren’t going to earn it. In fact, you guys don’t have a job anymore. You’re in unemployment.” I think there probably would be a different outcome of this. I think there would be civil unrest, because you’d have more people who aren’t tolerating, more disagreeable people.

Adrian:

Yeah, potentially, the way the union structures-

Mark:

Correct. I think so. More people would just be out and out… More people who are more likely to get enraged.

Adrian:

Yep. But I think it is a good time to honestly ramp up construction, because no one’s out and about. There’s no disruption to the public. Everyone else is isolated.

Mark:

Hang on. Construction workers can stall pass on COVID-19 to each other, can they not?

Adrian:

Yeah, but we’re trying to limit most of the social interactions.

Mark:

Okay, but then you can make an argument for accountants, and then you can make an argument for lawyers, and you can make an argument for just about any industry.

Adrian:

Well, accountants can work from home. Construction workers can’t build a building from home. Accountant, you have Excel and an internet connection.

Mark:

Well yes, it’s true in theory what you’re saying, but also the argument is about social isolation here.

Adrian:

It’s true in life. You can’t build a building on a computer.

Mark:

The argument is about social isolation.

Adrian:

Yeah, how it’s working.

Mark:

Well, at the end of the day, there’s 1,414 cases in all of Australia.

Adrian:

Yeah, and that’s a good thing, because we self-isolated.

Mark:

That is a good thing. The curve is pretty flat now.

Adrian:

Yeah, and you look at it, it’s like, “Okay, we’ve just flattened it. So that was that first block,” and it’s like, “All right, this did work. Let’s just push a little bit on the side of caution. Give it another two weeks, see how it responds again.” Because we know… And again, that video I showed you before, you can have it for two weeks.

Mark:

But it’s been two weeks. More than two weeks.

Adrian:

Let’s say three weeks. A week fudge factor. Let’s throw that in there as well.

Mark:

Okay, so May 11th.

Adrian:

May 11th rolls around-

Mark:

May 11th we can start spitting in each other’s mouths and licking doorknobs.

Adrian:

I tell you what. Probably not that far as well. I think that’s what they will do. They’re going to start reintroducing kids slowly. We’ve got to start slowly opening things back up. Where you’re having China, everyone shows up to the same national park on one day, then they have to shut it down again because too many people were there just to even go on the fucking pathway.

Mark:

That’s what’s going to happen, though. How are you going to stop that?

Adrian:

I think people will be on the side of caution, because we’re seeing it happen around the world.

Mark:

I think there are two types of people here. I think there are those who are like, “This COVID-19 stuff is all a bunch of bullshit and I’m just going to go out and rock it,” and then on the other side, you have the people who are like, “Oh COVID-19, I’m never leaving the house again.”

Adrian:

Yeah. And that’ll be enough people to kind of slowly ease them back in, because eventually those people will come around to it.

Mark:

Yeah, but [inaudible 00:35:11] people, if you’re in the 50% of the group who are just like whatever-

Adrian:

50% of the people not doing anything.

Mark:

They’re going out. They’re going to go get something and spread it.

Adrian:

Yeah, but I mean if we’ve now flattened the curve, that shouldn’t be an issue though. Now we’re kind of like, “We’ll see how it goes.” No one like this is… Again, research only started coming out on this in January. So there’s been over something like a few hundred papers now published in it. And so this is very new. Like you think of everything else we deal with. Usually research takes years and years, [crosstalk 00:35:43] and now the turnover is very fast.

Mark:

And this is what concerns me about the V word. And no, not vagina or vulva.

Adrian:

We’re not usually afraid of them.

Mark:

Vaccines.

Adrian:

Vaccines. Oh jeez, we’re getting to this fucking topic now.

Mark:

I feel like we need to. It needs to be said. It needs to be said.

Adrian:

What’s wrong with them? [inaudible 00:36:02] It’s fine.

Mark:

I feel like you just said… All right, you said something very pertinent. It’s new, right? And they’ve research that needs to be done. So the idea of, “Let’s get this vaccine out and put some restriction, social restriction like they’ve done in schools where kids aren’t allowed to essentially be in school unless they get the vaccination schedule up to date or whatever it is…” You know, what if they pass a bill? All right, you can’t fly unless you’ve had the corona vaccine.

Adrian:

Okay, so now you’re going into some sort of nanny state.

Mark:

Well we already are in a nanny state.

Adrian:

I wouldn’t say that. Now at the moment it’s just like, we’ll see.

Mark:

From a corporate side, corporate Australia point of view, we are in a nanny state. We’ve got unions, we’ve got HR, we’ve got, “Oh no, you want to fly? No, we’ve got minimum wait.” We are in a nanny state as far as I’m concerned from a corporation point of view. And that’s why these problems started, in my opinion, in the first place because what did we do to combat the nanny state? I’ll tell you what big companies did to combat the nanny state. They went to China where there is no nanny and they pay guys 2 cents an hour or 2 cents a day, and, “Oh, you’re tired or you’re dying at your desk? No big deal. Let’s just get another fucker in here to do your job.” That’s the opposite of what you get. You get somewhere in the world where there is absolutely no regulations and they treat people like filth. So I’m not saying that’s the answer, because it’s certainly not. But overregulation-

Adrian:

That’s the model we run at Enterprise.

Mark:

And don’t you forget it, Adrian.

Adrian:

Just run it into the ground-

Mark:

I will burn you to the bone.

Adrian:

Until they’re dead. Next.

Mark:

Oh, I hate you so much. It’s fun how we can joke about this.

Adrian:

Yeah, joke.

Mark:

You know, one way it is actually was to get micro-chipping inside your hand and have a [crosstalk 00:07:42].

Adrian:

Oh yeah, doesn’t it shock you?

Mark:

But anyway, I digress. My point being… Thanks for derailing that one for me. But the nanny state is a very real thing. I mean it is, isn’t it?

Adrian:

Yeah, who wants that much control. Again-

Mark:

Well that’s my point. We don’t want that much control. We don’t want our government saying you have to get a vaccine to fly.

Adrian:

Oh no, I don’t think it will go to that point. I don’t think it’ll go that far.

Mark:

Really?

Adrian:

No, I don’t think… Yeah.

Mark:

Well, okay. People said the idea of getting rid of cash wasn’t going to happen. So Australia, if you spend over $10,000 in cash on something, your name gets flagged on a database. Now $10,000 is very easy to make $5,000. And then from $5,000, it’s very easy to make $2,500. But wait, I’ve heard people in finance… I’ve got a friend who’s spoken to me about this, about… I forget the exact term around negative interest rates or negative interest gearing. So basically, instead of the economy… And what he’s saying is almost panning out exactly, is the idea of getting rid of cash while the economy is in such a bad way that instead of the government bailing out the banks, we the consumers are going to bail out the banks. And you might ask, “Well, how are we going to do that?” Well all the money… Let’s say you have savings, right? Let’s just say you have, use round numbers, $10,000 in savings. Okay? Instead of you earning at the moment, you earn interest on that saving. So you might own 2.5% years ago. We’ll say 5%, 4%, whatever it is.

Mark:

Instead of it being 2.5%, you’ll be charged 2.5% have your money in the bank.

Adrian:

Gotcha.

Mark:

Which then, what that does, is encourages spending. So no one holds onto money anymore. Let me buy that, let me buy this. So that’s what’s going to reinvigorate the economy. Now to do that as well, very conveniently in many ways for the banks of the world and the government-

Adrian:

So you think that was the idea of them trying get rid of cash.

Mark:

People are scared to use cash now. What the Australian, the Royal Australian Mint has gone on the record to say-

Adrian:

I’m feeling like a tinfoil hat situation’s coming on here.

Mark:

Hang on, let me finish my point right before we put tinfoil hats on.

Adrian:

Jesus Christ.

Mark:

The Royal Australian Mint has also put it on the record and said there is no evidence whatsoever that we should stop using cash. They’re of the opinion that we can still use cash, and cash is not spreading this virus.

Adrian:

Can I jump in for a second?

Mark:

Yeah, okay.

Adrian:

Are you offended by the idea of not using cash cause you’re a wog?

Mark:

You got me. You should be too. You should be outraged right now. Your last name’s Faranda.

Adrian:

I’m tapping on my watch. I’m tapping on my phone. I don’t use cash anymore. Someone tried to hand me cash and I didn’t even know what it was.

Mark:

Really? Man, you were one of those new school wogs. But look, the idea of cash… I’m not either for or against it. I’m just simply saying this is the way it is. This is where we are going. So when I say that the idea of a cashless society 10 years ago, 5 years ago, was something that you would say, “Now that can’t happen.” But today-

Adrian:

I can still see it happening.

Mark:

I mean, you can absolutely. People aren’t accepting cash in the stores. I went to go pay with cash the other day and they’re like, “Oh sorry, we don’t accept that here.” I’m like, “Fucking serious? It’s cash, man.” You’ve got to either pay, and all this kind of shit. So we’re not too far from that. Let’s say in 10 years you can see it happening. It’s a reasonable idea.

Adrian:

And you think they’ll start charging us to hold money in the bank?

Mark:

Possibly, if the economy gets bad enough. That is one solution, and this is where things like-

Adrian:

That’s a big what if, and I just think it’s not even necessary to worry about.

Mark:

Here’s the thing. I don’t want to put on the tinfoil hat-

Adrian:

It is so on. You’re so shiny.

Mark:

I’m certainly not a conspiracy theorist, but I think with COVID-19 what has happened is maybe… I think there’s one school of thought which I kind of subscribe myself to-

Adrian:

Vaccines and microchips.

Mark:

No, that’s not it. That this was a fuck up in Wuhan. The virus was manmade and it got released by mistake, and now we pay.

Adrian:

Okay, I want to touch on this one as well.

Mark:

Okay, cool. Go for it.

Adrian:

It doesn’t matter.

Mark:

Okay, let’s say it doesn’t matter.

Adrian:

Whether it was someone ate a bat who ate a fucking armadillo, who ate something… The matter is it’s here.

Mark:

Let’s say it was a fuck up.

Adrian:

It could be a fuck up.

Mark:

Yeah, and my point being with this point that I’m making about cash and vaccines and everything else, is everyone is going to use it to their agenda and their advantage. So it’s not a one world government trying to control people, I don’t think. I think it’s more a case of people going, “Oh we can make more money this way.”

Adrian:

Slide this bill in this way.

Mark:

Yeah, “Let’s get this policy in.”

Adrian:

Well, you definitely saw a lot of things happen like that with 9/11, where they were sliding things in with like Patriot Act and they’re like, “Just put that in there as well.”

Mark:

Yeah, let’s put this in. Oh you know cash, that works for the banks. This works for the government. We’ll just tax everyone.

Adrian:

But you know what? She’ll be right.

Mark:

Fucking Australians.

Adrian:

What can you do about it? Are you going to start a revolt?

Mark:

Maybe. Maybe enough people watch this podcast and this YouTube, and we’ll share it and then we’ll get banned.

Adrian:

I tell you what, ask me in another six months if we’re still in lockdown, and we’ll discuss revolt, and we’ll discuss a rebellion. I think we should use the Star Wars rebellion symbol. We’re just going to rob that. We’ll just start a rebel Alliance.

Mark:

Yeah, that sounds pretty cool. Yeah, I’d actually appreciate if you’d be on my team on that one.

Adrian:

Probably not. I think we’d be separate warlord type factions here that would kind of maybe cooperate every now and again, a common enemy, but I’d really hate you [inaudible 00:42:50]. So that’s how I imagine that playing out.

Mark:

All right, well shoot down my plans. It’s good to know about the rules of engagement before we begin.

Adrian:

It’s guerrilla warfare.

Mark:

I’ll remember not to pay you this week, too.

Adrian:

Oh, that’s cool. That’s cool.

Mark:

Moving right along.

Adrian:

Remember to get tighten that clamp on your brace. Okay. What you can do to protect yourself. Mark-

Mark:

Use a condom.

Adrian:

Nah, they cured HIV, so you don’t have to use a condom anymore. So it’s fine.

Mark:

They cured HIV?

Adrian:

Yeah, apparently two cases they’ve now completely cured. I don’t know. I haven’t read too much.

Mark:

You?

Adrian:

No, I’ve still got it. I’m not trying to fix it. It’s just who I am. I don’t have AIDS. Please don’t spread that. Now what you can do to protect yourself with coronavirus. What we notice is a lot of, again, misinformation. I think some of the best ones I’ve seen are from our own industry in terms of bullshit being spread. So there’s the charlatans and the fucking snake oil salesman getting on behind… Guess what? Oh, keto can now cure coronavirus. You know what I mean? Oh, you know what? It was-

Mark:

Keto can cure coronavirus?

Adrian:

Yeah, everyone’s like, “whoever was on a diet plan,” it’s like, “This was the best option.”

Adrian:

Like carnivores are on like, “No, this was the best option.”

Mark:

Are people actually saying keto-

Adrian:

People are saying this crap out there. It’s just like now they’re pushing their own eBooks to make money off this new disease. They’re all going on scare tactics.

Mark:

Yeah, I actually have seen that.

Adrian:

Vegans are blaming, “Oh, it was a bat. So it’s animal flesh.” PETA released a statement, “Animal flesh was linked to COVID-19.” The pricks at PETA. Fuck PETA. Don’t get me started on those. We’ll start a whole other podcast on those guys.

Mark:

You really hate PETA.

Adrian:

Oh, I fucking hate PETA so much.

Mark:

I feel like I want to press that one, but let’s keep moving forward. Because you know COVID was made in a lab.

Adrian:

Oh, Jesus Christ. Whether it was a bat or a lab, it doesn’t matter.

Mark:

It was the vegans.

Adrian:

It was the vegans who did it to get rid of those wet markets, whatever they are.

Mark:

But let’s just think about a bat flying into the Wuhan markets where it’s polluted-

Adrian:

Yeah, where it got in the lab, got out, and then flew into the-

Mark:

And then got caught and got eaten.

Adrian:

Yeah, just don’t eat bats. Fucking bat.

Mark:

Have you seen those wet markets?

Adrian:

Yeah.

Mark:

Disgusting.

Adrian:

There’s a lot of shit going on in this. Yeah, I didn’t understand what a wet market was. I just assumed it was maybe in like ankle-deep water, and just everything was wet.

Mark:

Nah, it’s like a live market, livestock. I saw this video on YouTube, I wanted to throw up.

Adrian:

It’s like shit [inaudible 00:45:28] where it’s like… Yeah, [inaudible 00:45:29] going to the whole regulation thing, it’s why restaurants have a policy where that’s a meat sink, this is a vegetable sink.

Mark:

They just take it too far. [crosstalk 00:45:37]. They had everything there. They had bats. Like they go through, they pan through.

Adrian:

Things like scorpions.

Mark:

Deep fried rats, deep fried bats, live snakes chopped up like salami, dogs in cages, dead dogs on the street. It was horrible.

Adrian:

Yeah. So I feel like that is a cesspool for disease. Whether it started there, who knows.

Mark:

But they’ve been doing it like that for decades.

Adrian:

Yeah, exactly, but that’s where things like SARS and stuff like that… It’s a SARS… Whatever, fucking forest thing.

Mark:

They’ve been eating bats for decades, too.

Adrian:

Yeah, well this one just had the bat AIDS.

Mark:

Yeah, but why would a bat fly towards a polluted city? Bats avoid pollution?

Adrian:

I don’t know. I have no idea.

Mark:

But anyway, what was your point?

Adrian:

What is my point? What actually works? Like what does work? Do we know what works?

Mark:

Well, no.

Adrian:

There are a couple of things. All right, so-

Mark:

Washing your hands with soap?

Adrian:

Washing your hands was the big one.

Mark:

Sing happy birthday twice.

Adrian:

Sing happy birthday. Sing your songs.

Mark:

I think it’s also important to note that viruses actually aren’t ever alive.

Adrian:

Right, I didn’t know this. You tell me.

Mark:

Yes. Bacteria are alive. Viruses aren’t alive. So the idea of… You obviously want to use a soap that can bust through lipids, because they are protected in a lipid structure. So this is where like dish soap can actually be quite helpful. Yeah. What’s your stance on masks?

Adrian:

Mask is an interesting one, because there is-

Mark:

Some people say it increases.

Adrian:

What’s that?

Mark:

Some people say it increases the risk.

Adrian:

Increases the risk? I don’t know how it would increase the risk.

Mark:

Because you touch the mask and then there’s-

Adrian:

Well, it’s the same as just touching your face, I think.

Mark:

But I suppose there’s-

Adrian:

Unless you’re not washing it frequently. The mask thing I think is an interesting one. There’s that one that is the actual virus mask. What is it?

Mark:

N1 whatever.

Adrian:

Yeah, the M1 company, M2 company.

Mark:

Something like that.

Adrian:

It’s like an N95 mask with a proper filter. With that one, I think that is actually quite effective at stopping a virus.

Mark:

Why?

Adrian:

Because it’s got that filter on it. I don’t know. It’s purposely designed to stop viruses from getting in.

Mark:

You see Louis Vuitton made their own N195 mask, whatever.

Adrian:

Of course they [inaudible 00:47:39], assholes.

Mark:

Something like three grand.

Adrian:

Yeah. But I think the idea is with that one as well, that should be… I would say people, they wear that one if they want to, but if there’s not enough in stock, I would say save it for the public health service because that’s the one that’s most effective. If there’s not enough getting around, it’s like, do you really need it? Are you out that much that you need to be having a fucking proper gas mask?

Mark:

Wasn’t that the point? Again, I want to come back to the thing, all of these preventative measures and lockdown. Wasn’t that the point of getting more masks? Hasn’t that been-

Adrian:

Oh, like we weren’t running out?

Mark:

Yeah, wasn’t that the whole point of slowing, flattening the curve, was to get our preventative and protective gear in order to do all this?

Adrian:

Yeah. And I think they’re just playing on the side of caution. I think they’re just being probably overly cautious now at this point. And it’s just like, why not be a little bit extra cautious? We’ll see what happens. And I honestly think after that May date comes up, I think we’ll start to see things go back to normal. So even my wife’s school… Victoria is a bit on the err side. So Daniel Andrews doesn’t really want to send kids back. He’s locked into that, that full term to lockdown. Whereas New South Wales, they’re going to start reintroducing kids back to school maybe a year level at a time with precautions. So maybe keeping distancing up-

Mark:

So what are you saying about your wife’s school? They’re going to go back?

Adrian:

They don’t know yet.

Mark:

Right.

Adrian:

That’s the thing. It’s because Victoria is playing it a bit on the side of, “Oh, we don’t really want to do that.” So there is a rumor out there that they’re going to start. Because even they’ve been having to adapt weekly. So before term two started pretty much days before, they’re like, “All of term two’s online,” when they thought they were probably going to go back to school at a limited capacity.

Mark:

So the private schools, they’ve definitely shut-

Adrian:

Private school, they still have to follow state, but a lot of them are taking the side of caution.

Mark:

Yeah, the whole term two off.

Adrian:

And yeah, because I know my sister’s kids went to a private school. They shut down a week earlier than everyone else, and they were just like-

Mark:

Yes. A lot of them have committed to the full term.

Adrian:

Yeah. And a lot of them even compared to…

Mark:

Make more money that way, as well.

Adrian:

They don’t want to be the school… I know some are giving out discounts and things like that.

Mark:

10%. I heard, yeah. It’s not very much. Yeah.

Adrian:

Yeah. I don’t know how. I don’t think it would make much difference to them. But yeah, I think they don’t want to be the school that caused the spread.

Mark:

Of course, no one does.

Adrian:

No one wants to be that. And I think it might even be the same in our industry. It’s like, oh, who wants to be… When gyms start to slowly open up again.

Mark:

Well, I’ve got on good authority that-

Adrian:

No one wants to be the Princess Mary.

Mark:

Gyms are going to be in the same category as nightclubs, and it’s going to be airports at the top, then nightclubs-

Adrian:

Opening up, you reckon?

Mark:

Then gyms, in that order. So we’re liking that last segment. But maybe personal training gets a flag in, because we can control the one-on-one and do it indoor.

Adrian:

Yeah, exactly. A lot more controlled experience.

Mark:

It’s the same as doing it in the park, anyway. Yeah, you’re not getting people in. Yeah. So what else were you saying about protective? You got masks, washing hands-

Adrian:

Oh yeah, that with the masks… They know with masks, it’s only protecting the wearer from spreading it.

Mark:

But not from getting it.

Adrian:

But not from getting it if it’s a cloth mask. So then there’s surgical mask which has some protection. So there’s a good site, and we can put it in the links on this, which is examine.com, and they did a full kind of a like a little info graph on the protectiveness of masks and where it had that proper M95 one, that M295 one, that was like the best. Then it’s like surgical mask, and then it was the cloth mask, which didn’t do much with you getting it. It had minimal-

Mark:

So N95 can prevent me getting it.

Adrian:

Getting it, yes.

Mark:

Right.

Adrian:

So it’s good protection for the wearer, and from spreading it.

Mark:

Right. And is there a percentage of protection? Or you can still potentially get it?

Adrian:

I think they just… No, it just has a [crosstalk 00:51:32].

Mark:

Why don’t you just get a full gas mask?

Adrian:

Yeah, then it’s just hot. They suck. They fucking suck.

Mark:

You’ve worn them a couple times?

Adrian:

Yeah. The Mark II gear is like-

Mark:

You’re a dangerous man.

Adrian:

It’s for like radiation. So it’s like a charcoal suit that you wear, and it’s got a big canister filter. So that’s to stop radiation. Nothing getting through that bad boy. But it’s hot. It’s stuck to your face, because obviously you have to have a good seal around to it.

Mark:

Oh yeah, of course. So you sweat and so you can’t really see.

Adrian:

No, you can see other things, but if it gets foggy, it’s pretty fucking shit. So yeah I’ve been in. That works in… Essentially, probably the best scenario was a tear gas scenario. So you don’t feel it in the tear gas. So it filters that perfect clean air. Like you’d be in a cloud of tear gas and you’d be fine.

Mark:

How does that work? That’s pretty amazing.

Adrian:

The tear gas?

Mark:

Yeah, well the filter that basically-

Adrian:

It’s a big fucking thing though. It’s like that big. And you can only… They last a week and then you’ve got to replace that filter.

Mark:

Wow.

Adrian:

Similar thing with that mask. I don’t think that small mask… It’s got a little filter, if you’ve seen them, a little square filter on the end. I don’t think it would last that long. Like you’ve got to go through them pretty frequently. Yeah, so that big filter there, I can’t remember what-

Mark:

You’re quite the mask expert, huh?

Adrian:

Yeah.

Mark:

I wasn’t expecting you to know-

Adrian:

Well, I looked into it. It would just be like… It’s because I’ve done work with the gas mask. They fucking work, protect you from-

Mark:

How frequently, the gas masks, will they fog up though?

Adrian:

If you get sweaty, if you’re getting hot?

Mark:

I imagine that’d be a problem.

Adrian:

Yeah, I actually can’t remember. Because I’ve done plenty of attack scenarios through them, and I don’t remember fogging up too bad to be honest.

Mark:

That’s pretty good.

Adrian:

Yeah. It’s just hard to breathe, and it gets hot.

Mark:

Right. Really?

Adrian:

Yeah. Because obviously you’ve got to suck in through this… It’s like sucking in through a straw. Imagine you’re snorkeling. That’s what it’s like breathing.

Mark:

Wow, so you almost essentially suffocate.

Adrian:

Pretty much. Yeah. Especially if you’re in a panic to put it on. It’s pretty… Yeah.

Mark:

You know from experience?

Adrian:

Yeah, because they surprised us. They kind of tried to throw us off. So when we went over to Timor, because we’re handling tear gas, we had to carry gas masks with us. And so I left the cap on my filter because I wanted to protect the filter. And so they decided to try and surprise us with CS gas.

Mark:

Oh, motherfucker.

Adrian:

They were just like… They made us… It was so funny, because they pulled us all out and they said someone had done something wrong. I can’t remember the exact thing, but it’s like, “Until you guys own up…” No one did anything wrong by the way. “So until you guys own up, we’re going to keep fucking smashing you with PT.” So they’re making us do pushups. Everyone’s like, “Who the fuck was it? Just own up.” And then as soon as we were all in a pushup position, they just throw gas grenades.

Mark:

What gas was it?

Adrian:

CS gas.

Mark:

What does that do?

Adrian:

So it’s like essentially what tear gas is. It’s what you see in all that riot stuff. The grenades are awesome, man. They will clear out a fucking room really good.

Mark:

I thought you were going to say it makes you ugly, and that’s why you’re ugly.

Adrian:

It’s like these little crystals, and once they heat up, they essentially turn into little spikes that essentially pretty much stop you from breathing. They get everywhere. The best thing about them, if it’s on your clothes and you wash your clothes, then put them in the dryer, it reactivates those crystals. So essentially, you open up the dryer and you gas yourself again. So you always had to be careful about washing your clothes after being exposed to it. But yeah, so I put my gas mask on in a hurry [inaudible 00:54:49] suck a bit in. So it’s just like everything runs. It cleans out the sinuses pretty good. So it’ll be like snotty eyes, snotty… And if you get a little bit caught out, and I’ve just seen guys even in a room… Because that whole… Imagine a small room, and then you fill up with a gas grenade. That’s just the cloud of smoke and it’s just like you can’t see through it.

Adrian:

And the guys who their seals broke on their mask, it’s just like that’s end game. Like you get a little bit in and they’re all just coughing and spitting and vomiting.

Mark:

Wow.

Adrian:

Yeah, it fucking sucks. It’s like you see that movie, I think it’s in like… What’s that one with Steven Seagal, Under Siege? The girl sprays him with capsicum spray and he’s like, “You get immune to it.” She gets sprayed, and he’s just like standing there. That shit doesn’t happen. You don’t ever get immune to it. You just know it sucks.

Mark:

For Steven Seagal, it’s probably true. He probably did do that. He used the keto on it. I’m just going to use a keto on this fucking capsicum spray. It tastes like pizza.

Mark:

[crosstalk 00:55:45] Have you heard about that guy in real life?

Adrian:

Yeah, he’s awesome.

Mark:

Man, he’s amazing.

Adrian:

He’s like a cop. He started a dojo in Japan.

Mark:

He’s full-on, huh? He’s like 6’4″ or something, big guy. And there’s these videos on YouTube of the kukkido championships-

Adrian:

But now he can’t get away with it now, it’s cultural appropriation now for him.

Mark:

What do you mean?

Adrian:

He’s just taken on the Japanese culture. It’s like a white dude who’s just fully absorbed in it.

Mark:

Oh, yeah. Apparently I’ve heard stories about how in the movies when he was getting in shape, one of his trainers had to say to him, “Hey man, you’re not in shape. You haven’t lost weight.” He just fucking cracked and smashed shit. That real intense personality. Good old Steven. So I can see that actually being based on a true story. They spray Steven Seagal with pepper spray and he’s like, “Yeah man, fuck this shit. I’m immune to it. Whatever man, tastes like pizza to me.” He’s full-on man. He’s full-on. So this mask.

Adrian:

This mask. The thing is just wear it. I don’t see what the harm is in people wearing it. I think that’s going to cause more of a problem. The whole thing… I think if people want to wear it, wear it. Because the whole thing is we don’t know. Someone can be carrying it for up to 14 days and not know they’re sick. So if you’re even just wearing a cloth mask, protecting others from getting it, that’s helping the stop of the spread.

Mark:

Right.

Adrian:

I don’t see the big issue with wearing or not wearing it. I don’t know why it’s even a debate. It’s just like, wear it, don’t wear it.

Mark:

Why was there a debate?

Adrian:

It’s just people saying don’t wear it. It’s not necessary.

Mark:

Yeah, I’ve heard that as well.

Adrian:

Well, what’s the harm in wearing it? I just don’t understand if people feel safer wearing it.

Mark:

I think the debate comes from wearing it can actually increase. So something about increasing.

Adrian:

Yeah, that one I haven’t heard. So I don’t know.

Mark:

Because when people are touching… If I touch and put germs on my mask, I’m breathing in those germs. So it makes me more susceptible.

Adrian:

What’s the difference between touching something and then touching your face?

Mark:

Good question. Or there has air to breathe? Like it can come off?

Adrian:

If there’s a filter in between, would that be less likely I’m going to get sick if I’m already touching my face?

Mark:

So it’s there. Well, I suppose it’s on your face anyway. So questions for the, I don’t know, oracle of some sort?

Adrian:

She’ll be right.

Mark:

She’ll be right. You know what? This one is a “She’ll be right.” If you don’t want to wear a mask, don’t wear a mask. She’ll be right.

Adrian:

Wear a mask if you want. Get that Louis Vuitton one if you want. [crosstalk 00:57:57]. I don’t care.

Mark:

I agree. She’ll be right. So our summary on masks is wear it, don’t wear it, she’ll be right. That’s our official summary. Okay.

Mark:

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Mark:

Reach out to us. We’re here to help. And again, this is the place you want to be if you’re serious about your fitness and physique goals.

Adrian:

Supplements.

Mark:

What about them?

Adrian:

So it’s like-

Mark:

I wrote an eBook once, it was called The Truth About Supplements. I’ve got a forward by Jonny Bowden. Yeah, and then I had to update it, so then I took it offline because I couldn’t be fucked updating it.

Adrian:

I’m already bored of it. I think I breezed over that. That was pretty shit. Has a new book going, by the way.

Mark:

24,000 words-

Mark:

You know, this fucker. You’re going to edit that out. No way we’re allowing that. You know what? This interview’s done. See you later.

Adrian:

That was so good. Oh, I got you good, Mark. Come back. Come back. All right, so the truth about supplements… Did you like that one?

Mark:

No.

PART 2 OF 4 ENDS [01:00:04]

Speaker 2:

Do you like that one?

Mark:

No. You’re an asshole.

Speaker 2:

Come on, man. I know you’ve been working on that hard. That was rough. I’m sure it’s going to be good. You can tell me all about it. I’m probably not going to read it, but you tell me all-

Mark:

You better read it, because there’ll be a pop quiz on it.

Speaker 2:

You know what I’m going to do? I’m going to put a quiz together. Actually, you know what better? I’m going to make you put the quiz together. I’m going to make you do it. I’m all back to front Mark.

Mark:

You really are back to front.

Speaker 2:

And then I’ll rewrite it. Even better. You know I’ll be back to front.

Mark:

You are back to front.

Speaker 2:

All right.

Mark:

All right. He wants us to continue. All right, so let’s pick up from supplements.

Speaker 2:

Supplements. People who’re relying on supplements when they’ve had a shitty lifestyle leading up to the virus are probably screwed. So its-

Mark:

Well definitely.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. It’s like-

Mark:

It’s like anything else. Supplements aren’t going to solve people’s issues.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. And the same thing, it’s like people either finding it’s like oh, we need vitamin D. All right, I’m going to high dose vitamin D. It’s just like no, just keep it as a regular supplement, like we normally do with people here. Especially going into the colder months, and being isolated, not getting out as much. Or for some people they might be getting out more, to be honest. Not being stuck in their office and walking more, but keeping that work. I keep like the standard is 2000 I use a day. I do keep that as a continuous supplement.

Mark:

Well, I mean vitamin D is one of those things that, what was it? In 2012 the standards, if you get your bloods done in Australia standards-

Speaker 2:

Yeah. It’s actually dog shit standards.

Mark:

International units. In 2012 I was getting like labs done and stuff, the standard would be anywhere from 80 IUs to 120/125. Some labs would even go up to as much as 150.

Speaker 2:

That’s like an optimal standard as well.

Mark:

No, They were the standards that you would get from your… If you went in 2009/2010 or even 2012, if you went to a doctor and you got your vitamin D ran, the range that the lab would come back with was 80 to 120/125, depending on the lab, right? So now, if you go into the doctor and get your labs done on vitamin D, it says above 50. So as long as you’re above 50 you don’t get flagged, whereas back then-

Speaker 2:

Well, they adjusted it to a sick population.

Mark:

Correct. That’s exactly what’s happened. It’s adjusted to a sick population, and the mean in the score has been down. So really if you’re looking… And I was speaking to Kayla Daniels Thursday, and also Bob Juul, my mentor in functional medicine, said the same thing, is that your vitamin D you actually can be quite high so long as your vitamin A is in ratio.

Speaker 2:

Okay.

Mark:

So if you look at vitamin A and vitamin D they’re synergistic nutrients. Kind of like a tricep bicep, in terms of the action of a humerus.

Speaker 2:

That I get.

Mark:

Yeah, I thought you might, right? So I like to think of it like this. Vitamin D, you think of D as down and A as accelerate, right? So one of vitamin D’s function is to modulate the immune system or, not to depress it, but to bring it down. So if you see a disease or you see a pathogen, vitamin D’s function is to regulate that and calm it back down so it’s not over regulated. Whereas vitamin A is to up regulate the immune system, to accelerate antibodies and the dispersing of T cells and B cells.

Mark:

So if you look at, for example, if someone has an autoimmune disease and they have a flare up and they take vitamin A what will happen is that we’ll have more of a flare up. So if you’ve let’s say got an auto immune disease and you’re going through a bout, you don’t want to take vitamin A at that time because the immune system that’s already overreacting to what’s happening is going to be accelerated. It’s going to be worse.

Speaker 2:

Got you, yeah.

Mark:

With that said, you want to take vitamin B because vitamin B is what’s going to help calm and modulate the immune system down. So vitamin D for auto immune is very good.

Mark:

So one of the things is what a virus does, and obviously Coronavirus, well it’s a virus, it gets into your DNA, but it also affects the way the spleen releases T-cells, or the thymus releases T cells. It affects the way the spleen releases B cells, which is your first line of order in terms of fighting a virus. So basically virus comes in and stops the production of B cells as a mechanism for the virus to duplicate, or replicate rather, because obviously it’s more than duplicating, it’s replicating inside of the system. So at the time of getting a cold or flu or a virus, you actually want to take a really high dose of vitamin A because the signal that the virus gives to stop producing B cells, vitamin A gives that signal to the spleen to then produce more B cells.

Speaker 2:

How high is a high dose? So when we’re talking high dose, it’s for a short period of time-

Mark:

Short period of time, and I don’t want to say how much on air.

Speaker 2:

Okay, fair enough.

Mark:

But it’s a lot.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. But this is where I’m saying when someone says it’s like leaning into, it’s like take vitamin D and then someone goes out. It’s like I’m going to take all the vitamin D. You know what I mean? It’s just like-

Mark:

Well, it is somewhat depending upon your nutritional status.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Mark:

So one of the sensible practices would be, well number one, start with sunlight if you can. And obviously if there is no sunlight or it’s a cold day, you want to look at your… I mean vitamin A, vitamin D, vitamin E, vitamin K, what are these essentially? They’re fat soluble vitamins. So where are you going to find them? In saturated fats.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Mark:

So what great sauce? Butter, ghee, galade, coconut oil, bone broth. You’re going to have, well not coconut oil much rather, but certainly your butter, animal fats, any animal fat. Bone broth particularly as well because it would be high in collagen as well. So those things are going to boost up. Another natural way to get vitamin A, a lot of vitamin A and D, is liver. So you’re getting like cow’s liver, chicken liver. They’re fantastic sources where you’re going to be boosting up vitamin A, vitamin D synergistically, and not have to worry about so much ratio.

Mark:

So potentially people are worried and want a nutritional… They don’t want to take supplements as a boost. Liver is probably the food, and also you can look at cod liver oil. Not fermented cod liver oil, like the Western Enterprise Institute recommends. Cod liver oil, the cathament cod liver because fermentation’s done with the carbohydrate. So there’s an idea of fermented-

Speaker 2:

Okay. Right. So I didn’t realize there was a-

Mark:

Yeah, so never fermented, just straight out.

Speaker 2:

It’s just not a thing. Is it just-

Mark:

Well there is a company, and this is in one of the podcasts that I did that’s coming out. It will be out by the time this one’s out. A podcast I did with Kayla Daniels. She wrote the book, The Whole Soy Story. She was in the Western Enterprise Institute for some time, and Western Enterprise got behind, well not him as a person, but the Institute, the organization, with Sally Fallon, they got behind a product called fermented Cod liver oil. I never saw it. I wasn’t really paying attention to that. You think of fermented, well fermentation is done with the carbohydrates, some of the sugar. So how do you ferment something that doesn’t have any sugar? You can’t. It’s a bit odd.

Mark:

So anyway, Kayla got it. We speak about it in the podcast. But she basically got it tested and found it was a rancid oil, the fermented cod liver oil.

Speaker 2:

Right.

Mark:

Yeah. Cod liver oil, good.

Speaker 2:

So they were just trying to get rid of old frot product consumption.

Mark:

Yeah. Fermented cod liver oil, no good. But again, if you want to do more of a natural side of things, and I still like the Western Enterprise foundation, they do good work. But yeah, don’t do fermented cod liver oil.

Speaker 2:

Okay.

Mark:

So that’s the vitamin A, vitamin D. Liver. But vitamin A particularly is important. Vitamin D you want to look at labs. So I aim around 125/150 international units, don’t use American units. So sorry for the folks who are watching this in Europe or America or… Don’t use international units. That’s what I look for in terms of blood markers. That’s where you want to shoot. You want to be in the high side, but again, making sure we have enough vitamin A.

Mark:

Zinc obviously important for immune function. Zinc and copper we can work-

Speaker 2:

Yes, this is a big one they have on the exam on one as well. And they’d say in reference to… This one I hadn’t heard before, which I found interesting. They were saying zinc oral lozenges. So the idea because the virus attaches itself to the back of the throat, it’s actually helping with that.

Mark:

What’s that anti septic in some ways? Is that what they’re saying.

Speaker 2:

Yes. So it’s like it may reduce symptoms, severity for common cold due to inhibiting viral replication at the back of the throat. So to stop it from kind of like growing into something a lot worse-

Mark:

Yes, it’s having a localized effect. It’s almost like a iodine spray.

Speaker 2:

Well I didn’t think of that because I always have zinc on hand if I got sick but obviously in capsule form. I didn’t realize-

Mark:

Well, we’ve got the lozenges. I ordered heaps in because I saw that that it was helpful and I thought I better order some lozenges in from Orthoplex, which is one of the Australian companies doing zinc lozenges.

Speaker 2:

And they’re the ones that they kind of have kind of know that actually work [crosstalk 01:08:10] like the C, D and A. But they’re comparing it to cold and flu because we don’t know what works against Corona virus.

Mark:

Well, if you look at C, D, A, if you look at all those vitamins, what are they? They’re immune boosting components. I mean, it’s not rocket science, right?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, Yeah. Exactly right.

Mark:

It’s just really look after your immune system. Don’t let pathogens in. So you’ve got a broken immune system to begin with well then you are in a susceptible group. So where does the immune system start? You should know this.

Speaker 2:

The brain?

Mark:

No.

Speaker 2:

What are you talking about?

Mark:

Gut.

Speaker 2:

The gut.

Mark:

Gut, yeah. So what is it? 95% of the immune system is in your gut, so if you’ve got a compromised gut, this is where the auto immune relationship between gut comes into play. So if your gut is compromised because you’ve got your tight junctions, right? So your tight junctions are basically the gatekeepers to your mucosal barrier. So you have the tight junctions, they’re open. If you have food that essentially gets into the bloodstream, now it becomes the job of the immune system to get rid of that once it’s a micro molecule inside of the bloodstream. So that’s what triggers the immune response. So this is where a lot of the auto immune issues start and permeated by having a compromised gut. That’s where the question comes in, well was it the gut or was it the immune system? Did the immune system…

Mark:

And stress is also a big. Think of it as like a triangle, right? Stress can also damage the gut and stress can also elevate the immune response. So all of the… And stresses, if you think of stresses. So like gluten, for example, is a common one because for everyone gluten will open the tight junctions regardless of whether you’re a celiac or not. The question is whether it breaks through the mucosal barrier and enters into the bloodstream, which then becomes part of the immune system. That’s where you get that immune response. So once you continually get that, and this is where it’s not just about the calories of it, it’s about the immune system being triggered to then being combated what’s coming in, if that makes sense. So this is where, as I was saying, that your gut, especially at this time, you don’t want to be eating and drinking things that are going to compromise your gut because your gut is the first point of call in terms of your immune system.

Mark:

Now zinc also corresponds into that because zinc is also part of helping the body obliterate things like hydrochloric acid, which is very, very important in terms of the digestion of protein.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, which covers the main point, which is not relying on okay someone says this supplement is going to work, so I’m going to do that, if you know what I mean.

Mark:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

If the gut’s compromised, if you’re not already having a healthy balanced diet, it’s probably the time to focus on that.

Mark:

Well, another thing that you a hundred percent want to do is that you want to look at fat soluble vitamins and water soluble vitamins. A common mistake that people make in terms of supplementation is they will take one or the other. So for example, what I see a lot of the time is they’ll take vitamin E. You’re like oh okay, that’s good. But on its own it’s not really that good. You need vitamin E, encapsulate the toxin on many of the times, and then toxins get stored inside of the fat, but that fat soluble vitamin needs to pass it off to someone who is water soluble, because water soluble can be extracted. So when people say they took a supplement and they saw more excretory vitamin C in their pee, well that’s what you’re supposed to see. It’s supposed to because it’s passing off those irons are been passed from the fat soluble to the water soluble to be then passed out. So certainly water soluble vitamins, like vitamin C, is hugely… Vitamin B as well, the B family really, hugely important, especially at this time to make sure that detoxification pathways and processes.

Mark:

But as with always, you never want to be… It’s always a bell-curve approach, so a little bit won’t do much. There’s an optimal and then from optimal, which is the peak of the bell, then when you take more, let’s say for example, someone says do you take 10 grams of vitamin C. It’s probably way too much. It has a counter effect now. Like let’s say three grams, you’re good, then you start taking four or five and the further you go the more of a hindrance effect you’re going to have from that. So it’s not a matter of just taking all the supplements. Everyone has an optimal place, and optimal usually once your levels start to get high enough and you overcome sickness and your body becomes, I suppose stronger, you need less. That’s what I always find with clients as well, and myself is that you actually need a lot less than someone who is sick or unhealthy.

Mark:

But again, my tips would be right now look after your gut. It’s not the time to go out and be eating junk food, fast food and things that are going to compromise your gut because then you’re setting yourself up for immune issues to be more susceptible because what, 95% whatever it is, of your immune system lays inside of your gut as its first point of call. Then once it’s inside the gut, it becomes the immune system’s problem, so boosting your immune system.

Mark:

Christine, she does a whole bunch of naturopathic herbs, which I take almost religiously every day and as well as the amino acids, collagen, zinc, vitamin E, vitamin C. I mix and match every day. And vitamin A I like to get in cod liver oil. That’s how I like to do, vitamin A.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So getting the mixes of things, not just taking isolated things.

Mark:

Yeah, and usually for me, I’ve got a lot of different supplements at home. I’ve got my supplement cupboard and I’m not always taking the same things every day. I’m taking a whole bunch of different stuff. Sometimes Christine will make me up a custom blend of different herbs and stuff. They taste foul but they work. They work really, really well.

Speaker 2:

The cold and flu one [crosstalk 01:13:32].

Mark:

The worst herbs you can take, naturopathic herbs, are the immune herbs, as in the most disgusting tasting. The adrenal herbs, they’re not so bad, because you’ve got licorice and stuff which can kind of make it sweeter and this. But the immune herbs are foul, but they are sensational and will kick your immune system in the balls. Let’s just say that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, quite remember that one.

Mark:

You’ve had it before?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, the cold and flu one she made up.

Mark:

Oh yeah, that one. That one’s okay actually.

Speaker 2:

It tastes like tree bark.

Mark:

That one’s actually okay. That one’s not so bad.

Speaker 2:

Really.

Mark:

Yeah, yeah. There’s some others that are just… I don’t know what it is, but there’s… I forget what the exact herb is, but there is some. Because the thing is like… This is a side rant, right? But a lot of personal trainers who get into functional medicine, myself included. I mean, I know a lot of stuff about this stuff, right? But at the end of the day, I can’t treat any of it, nor do I want to, but I can’t treat any of it. And I don’t have access to those supplements either. So the only way you get access to those is to be a naturopath or to be a clinician.

Speaker 2:

So you married one.

Mark:

Yeah, I married one, exactly. It’s like it’s the only way I’m going to get access to it, right? No, but in truth, like if you actually want to… Because a lot of people will come in like pathogens or they come in with parasites. I’m telling you now parasites are fucking hard to get rid of, and you need to know what you’re doing. If you’re just a trainer, or even you’ve just got regular access to things-

Speaker 2:

Yeah, trying to go down that path or-

Mark:

You’re not going to be able to do it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Also that classic of know what you know, and then shut the fuck up.

Mark:

Yeah, yeah. Stay in your lane.

Speaker 2:

Stay in your lane.

Mark:

Yeah. Parasites are hard to get rid of. Hard to get rid of and you need to know what you’re doing, and you need access to the right supplements. Like oil of oregano on its own ain’t getting rid of a parasite. It’s just not. Might help with some like overgrowth issues, but then you’ve got to look at re population. You’ve got to be doing stool tests. You’ve got to be doing all of those things and it’s complicated. There’s a lot of factors and you got to look at labs and all those other things, and manage those variables inside out, so.

Mark:

But the more work I do in this area, the more I realize that it is all interconnected. And that’s where, as I said, the triangle between stress, the gut, the immune system, which one came first? And this is where for a lot of people, like with COVID-19, they might be just so stressed out of their mind that now they get a gut issue, which then turns into immune issue. Or maybe they already had the immune issue, and then they’re eating worse so now they’ve got the gut issue as well. Then that’s causing them stress, right? So you don’t know where exactly where it starts, but you do know that they’re all interconnected. So you’ve got to look at each area individually and maximize and optimize each area. Calm down the immune system. Make the immune system do its job. By doing that eat proper foods. Don’t offend your gut, look after your stress. Minimize stress where you can. Get a plan for that and so forth.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. All right. The next one, living in iso. What are your staples for your cupboard?

Mark:

Okay. Meat. So when I heard about isolation I rang up my butcher and just did a bulk order of meat.

Speaker 2:

You and everyone else.

Mark:

In fact I bought a freezer to make sure.

Speaker 2:

So you were the problem. You were the problem why the rest of us couldn’t get [crosstalk 01:16:36].

Mark:

No, that’s my standard order. I just ordered lots of meat all the time, so it’s not really any different.

Speaker 2:

I hear. I almost felt somewhat selfish because I bulk order my rice and it had arrived before it all kicked off. So it was just like I had 20 kilos of rice and I’m like I’m not a part of the problem. I was already doing this.

Mark:

Why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? Yeah, I bulk order rice too because we had so much. We are a bulk order enterprise, between us trainers. Bulk ordered meat. Meat, rice, blueberries surprisingly. We’ve been eating a lot more blueberries.

Speaker 2:

I think this was the thing where it led into the panic buying, was again our Government not doing enough soon enough. People just felt like they had to take it into their own hands and they didn’t know what to do.

Mark:

You know what I don’t get with that?

Speaker 2:

Toilet paper?

Mark:

Why is it still sold out? Why?

Speaker 2:

Oh, it’s come back. I don’t know. I haven’t been out for-

Mark:

I went to the supermarket like two weeks ago, whatever it was, and I’m like surely people have stopped buying toilet paper. It’s still, there’s no toilet paper.

Speaker 2:

I think there’s got to be some accountants out there that can work out a spreadsheet for how many times you wipe your arse, and how much you actually need to get through a six month period.

Mark:

Apparently a 24 roll pack should last the family of four three months.

Speaker 2:

I mean, that’s-

Mark:

That’s a significant amount of time.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that’s we do though. And it’s like we just had brought a roll like we normally do, because we ran out before everyone started buying it. So we haven’t had a problem with it because it’s still low, do you know what I mean? Now we had to buy some again and it just happened to be there when we had it, and we just bought that roll that’s going to last us another three months.

Mark:

Hundred percent.

Speaker 2:

I mean, it’s so weird that one, and then people are relying on paper towels. Does no one have hoses? I don’t know what’s going on?

Mark:

Go in the shower.

Speaker 2:

My toilet’s next to the shower so I’ll be fine. Gees, fucking hell.

Mark:

Exactly, right. Just have a shower.

Speaker 2:

And knowing how much, but I just don’t think people realize how much meat they actually eat. I think a lot of it would have been thrown out. I think there were photos one council was posting about bins full of meat because people were just bulk buying, not having freezer space and then fucking throwing it out.

Mark:

Panic. It’s so stupid.

Speaker 2:

So dumb.

Mark:

But you see there was like mass amounts of people trying to refund stuff as well. And then [crosstalk 01:18:40] went out on a statement saying you can’t reclaim. Any panic buy won’t be refunded.

Speaker 2:

No, fuck them. Fuck them. They should be kicked in the teeth and thrown to the curb for panic buying. What else? So butter.

Mark:

Butter’s been another thing that I [crosstalk 01:18:52] Well I always buy so much butter anyway.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I’m in the same boat. I’m always buying like at least three sticks of butter in the shop just so that we always have at least one spare.

Mark:

I might have five or six sticks.

Speaker 2:

The thing I don’t understand is like you have even the things with like sprays around the house. I usually get a company called CO. So we’ve been to ordering that online. They send it in a box. When I know that’s getting low I order some more.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

It’s the same with like if you’ve got a stick of butter, two sticks of butter, you take one. You buy one to replace the one that you’ve done. You know what I mean? Or whatever you use. So I go shopping once. I think we’re in a good space because we plan buying food-

Mark:

A lot of the things that they’re buying, like Doritos and packaged foods, Pringles and all the stuff that we just wouldn’t eat anyway.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

Mark:

A lot of those foods, like Coca Cola and that, I think a lot of people-

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I saw the soft drink isle and that was completely bare, and I was just like okay. I’m like-

Mark:

Get yourself a water filter and you’ll be good and healthier for a very long time.

Speaker 2:

Exactly right. It’s unnecessary. Why do you need… What happens if you run out of Coca Cola? You’re going to be better off without it.

Mark:

How have the bottle-os gone? I ask because I don’t go into bottle-os.

Speaker 2:

I think they’re in the same boat. I think they never closed. I think people started bulk buying stuff there as well, for whatever reason.

Mark:

That’s a worry. That one’s a worry.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. I understand why they didn’t close them. So there’s a couple of issues with closing them is like-

Mark:

Dependency, violence.

Speaker 2:

Dependency, violence. The illegal market kicking off.

Mark:

Oh, yes. Prohibition.

Speaker 2:

Yes, the prohibition. How that works so well and the whole it’s a big tax income. So it’s like gambling’s come right back. People are still out to horse race because I think they… That’s taxed heavily. So it’s like they’re going to get not much tax from. They’ve had to shut casinos.

Mark:

You see, this is where it annoys people like me when we say okay, we’re going to say on one hand it’s about social distancing, okay. But, oh by the way, you can still go to the bottle-o, you can still go to the casino. You can still-

Speaker 2:

Well, casinos been shut down as well. That’s why they’re not going to close bottle-os. It’s like that’ll just cause, I think, absolute mayhem.

Mark:

Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:

I mean it’s just like, I think then there’s going to be an issue [crosstalk 00:21:03].

Mark:

They’ve got to pick their battles.

Speaker 2:

Exactly right.

Mark:

This is where I’m saying the she’ll be right attitude isn’t always the way. We need to be a little bit more outspoken.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Well as far as the control that you control as well.

Mark:

Yeah. I mean there’s a side for both, right? It’s up to me. If it’s meant to be, it’s up to me on one hand. But control what you can control.

Mark:

You touched on something else before. I don’t know what it was.

Speaker 2:

I touch a lot of things.

Mark:

Yeah, you do, don’t you? Especially the face and-

Speaker 2:

Around you because they say you have to disinfect everything.

Mark:

Yeah. What are we talking about again?

Speaker 2:

I don’t know. Grocery staples. That’s where we started.

Mark:

Oh, that’s right. So for me it’s meat. So it’s chicken, it’s red meat, butter, blueberries.

Speaker 2:

I think it’s understanding how much you consume as well.

Mark:

Butter again. I might just have a little bit of kombucha. Chocolate is now a staple for me. Dark chocolate, 90%. 80/90%, usually 90%. That’s probably it, man. My diet, rice, pumpkin, sweet potato, potatoes. I don’t really like vegetables all that much, but I eat them.

Speaker 2:

Don’t you?

Mark:

No, not really. I think it makes cellulite. I remember when Bob Master tested me and stuff, he’s like you don’t make cellulite. First of all, he goes, “You don’t like vegetables?” I go, “How did you know that?” He goes, “You don’t make cellulites, right?” I was like yeah well it’s true, so.

Speaker 2:

Right. Yeah.

Mark:

The guy’s fucking Yoda. What about you?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I’m in the same boat. I just understand how much I consume a week and then I buy that to refill. My shopping hasn’t changed. I don’t need to bulk buy anything. The only one I was like I like different cuts of meat. I know for a while the supermarkets were only putting out the basics because people were just taking and taking. So it was just like they had mince meat and chicken breasts. I was just like fuck this is boring as shit, but now it seems to be somewhat back to normal. Back to my slow cooking. I buy a couple of roasts a week.

Mark:

For your brisket.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, do a brisket every other week, over the coals now I’ve got time to cook. I can monitor it all day.

Mark:

Smoke it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, smoke it about eight hour cook for most things, so it’s good fun. I did brisket, just finished that this week. Doing spare ribs and lamb.

Mark:

With some liquid smoke?

Speaker 2:

No liquid smoke. Smoke smoke.

Mark:

All right.

Speaker 2:

Wood, it’s wood so you don’t need to liquid smoke.

Mark:

Is liquid smoke bad for you?

Speaker 2:

No. So liquid smoke is so when you have a smoker, essentially what they’ve done is just put water in there and then the flavor infuses with the water. Then they pour the water into the liquid smoker.

Mark:

Oh really. Is that all it is?

Speaker 2:

That’s all it is, yeah.

Mark:

It’s not carcinogenic?

Speaker 2:

Fucked if I know. I’ll find out.

Mark:

I feel like every time I use it it’s carcinogenic. It’s fucked.

Speaker 2:

Do you smell it?

Mark:

Yeah, it smells great. It tastes great.

Speaker 2:

It’s great.

Mark:

It’s just the smoke from it.

Speaker 2:

It should be the same as cooking your meat on fire.

Mark:

So it is carcinogenic, it’s fucked. Going to take some more methylators, some methyloners every time I have it. No, it’s good fun. It’s good. It’s delicious.

Speaker 2:

All right. Well home workouts, how are you finding them? Are you doing home workouts? Are you sneaking in here, you fuck?

Mark:

Next question. Next question.

Speaker 2:

How are you finding self isolation?

Mark:

How am I finding self isolation? I’m writing a book, that’s how I’m finding self isolation. I mean, my kids are kids 24/7. The best kids are 24/7 and they need a lot of attention. So in between kids and life I’m working on this book and I’m learning a lot, doing a lot of research, and pulling out papers on soy and gluten and just really commercial dairy and farming. Looking at how soy is actually farmed and the issues with soy from storage mold to actually the plant grows with mold. So really I’m using this time to-

Speaker 2:

Soy boy culture.

Mark:

Sorry?

Speaker 2:

Soy boy culture.

Mark:

Yeah. What’s that?

Speaker 2:

So have you not heard of soy boy? I’m going to get the urban dictionary.

Mark:

Soy boy culture?

Speaker 2:

Soy boy. Soy boys. You know who a soy boy is?

Mark:

I saw a website that was-

Speaker 2:

You would love this.

Mark:

I know soy boys. Soy boys are like your girly boys.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Mark:

But I didn’t know there was a soy boy culture.

Speaker 2:

I mean, it’s just like the whole idea of the hipster skinny jean.

Mark:

The boys that embrace being low testosterone?

Speaker 2:

I think it’s like they don’t embrace it, but it’s like they are.

Mark:

Oh well, when you say soy boy culture I thought you meant it’s seen as a good thing, like it’s embraced.

Speaker 2:

No, I don’t think it’s embraced at all.

Mark:

Yeah, I’ve heard of soy boy, but you’re a bit of a soy boy.

Speaker 2:

Oh righto, mate.

Mark:

You’ve got some tofu cooking over that brisket. You’re like all right guys I’ve got some brisket tonight.

Speaker 2:

I don’t fucking touch tofu.

Mark:

Meanwhile, smoked tofu. This is so good for the environment.

Speaker 2:

Anarchy.

Mark:

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2:

[crosstalk 01:25:41] that’s how I’m finding it.

Mark:

How are you finding it?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, fine. A good time with the family. I mean it’s just like interesting. Little one goes with us not being around 24/7 now, but he’s just like I think it’s when we are trying to do things at home, him being a toddler, he’s like no, I want all the attention still.

Mark:

How old is he?

Speaker 2:

He’s two and a half, or turning three in July.

Mark:

Turning three. Yeah, magical age.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, he’s really fun. So it’s like we’ve been pretty much just trying to keep him busy and out of our hair.

Mark:

I saw that flip that you did.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it’s so fun. he loves that.

Mark:

Yeah, I wanted to share it. That was pretty cool.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Couldn’t you?

Mark:

No, I don’t know how to share shit on this thing.

Speaker 2:

It’s a pain in the arse. But no, he’s really fun. We just get there to be there all the time, so it’s awesome.

Mark:

Yeah, it is fun. It is good. That is one good thing about lockdown, hey.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, definitely.

Mark:

A lot of family time.

Speaker 2:

And we’re working on that training out of nappies now. So we get to isolate and work on that, which is good fun as well.

Mark:

Yes. We’re doing maths. I’m really trying to get my boy to do some good solid maths. He gets me with, “Daddy, maths is boring. I don’t want to do maths.” I’m like look, you’ll need it one day. He was like yeah. But anyway.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. I do feel sorry for all those parents who have the school aged kids, who are now understanding what teachers are going through as well. They’re kind of like oh my gosh. It’s just like I imagine how swamped they would be trying to half homeschool, half workout, like keep them engaged as well.

Mark:

I liked the idea of homeschooling until I actually had to do some homeschooling. I’m like so much better to outsource. It’s so much better.

Speaker 2:

They needed to learn from other people as well. They can’t just rely on you for all your information.

Mark:

Well they do, but there’s a level of familiarity as well, I think. I’m like oh this is how… What did he say to me? He goes, “No Daddy, you’re writing tens wrong.” Like, “How do you write a ten?” He goes, “Zero, one.” “No, it’s one, zero.” He goes, “No, Mommy told me it was zero, one.” I’m like, “There’s no way Mommy told you it was zero, one.” Like, “No, it’s zero, one. I’m telling you.” Then Grandma comes in, shows him a book. “Look Max, it’s one, zero. It’s one, zero.” He’s like, “No, zero, one.”

Speaker 2:

[crosstalk 01:27:47] I guess that’s how it is now, it’s how it is in our house.

Mark:

But he’s just doing it because it’s Daddy. He wants to see how far he can push. You know that thing of like male challenging with sons, they-

Speaker 2:

I swear to God my son’s already doing it as well.

Mark:

Oh, yeah. Both my kids.

Speaker 2:

I’ve got boxing gloves in my garage and he goes and puts them on and demands to fight every time. It’s just like he’s an animal. I gave him a Nerf gun thinking that’d be a good idea. That didn’t end well.

Mark:

I bought some light sabers by mistake. But we have played another game because I’ve got my kid in jujitsu. So I get him, because he hasn’t been going to jujitsu class, we play a game. This is really fun. You start it with one leg and you can go two legs, but you have to hold onto my legs and you say when. So it’s when, and then you have to get out but you can’t use your hands. So it’s actually quite difficult for you, and he’s got his whole arms and legs wrapped around your legs and you’re having to like wiggle out. But it tests for him, but it’s also actually a test for you because you have to really try and he’s holding on.

Speaker 2:

Fight this child.

Mark:

Yeah, and he’s really getting really clever. He’ll let one of my legs go and trick me, then he’ll grab the other one. Oh my God. Fuck, I’m tired.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Got to work it out because they’re only got these little leavers and these little legs.

Mark:

And jujitsu is good because it’s like mental, it’s physical problem solving. You’re Constantly problem solving as you go through.

Speaker 2:

A hundred percent. That’s the plan for Nate as well. Gymnastics I started him off on that already. We started swimming before this kicked off. We had one lesson.

Mark:

Oh yes, and that was it.

Speaker 2:

That was it. Well, it was just like yeah, that was it. Next week everything shut down.

Mark:

I’m surprised the pools aren’t still open, you know because you can’t really spread shit in pools.

Speaker 2:

I don’t know. What the fuck?

Mark:

Chlorine kills everything. [crosstalk 01:29:22]. I would just open the pools. Chlorine kills everything.

Speaker 2:

Oh, it was just before it was happening, we went to our first lesson, he was putting some of the toys they had in his mouth. I’m like oh, Jesus Christ.

Mark:

Soaked in Chlorine.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it’s all right.

Mark:

[crosstalk 01:29:32] anytime you go into the pool.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, he loves it. He loves the pool and stuff.

Mark:

People pissing in it, and baby piss, and toddler piss.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Then we’ll get him in a few sports groups as well, start that. Once that all kicks off again, but it’s like I think that’s a different one. The other day I’m glad he’s kind of this young though.

Mark:

Yes, it is easy.

Speaker 2:

Won’t be too much of an impact because I feel sorry for the kids maybe in like VCE or who are a bit younger to kind of get it, but not understand it. So they just get the fear of it, like they just don’t know. Uncertainty.

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Mark:

They just don’t know uncertainty.

Adrian:

I swear though, if I was younger, say I was 16 and I was going through COVID-19 when I was 16 doing maternal came out.

Mark:

Oh yeah.

Adrian:

That would be a man. That would be … That would be it.

Mark:

I’ll tell you what, I’ve allocated my time at night. I think I’ve got about two, three hours of Call of Duty War Zone.

Adrian:

Well.

Mark:

So yeah, me and Josh have started a pretty sweet team.

Adrian:

It’s pretty amazing.

Mark:

We’re great.

Adrian:

Yeah. I’ve been, I’ve been watching 20 minutes of the Simpsons a night. One episode.

Adrian:

That’s it.

Mark:

[inaudible 01:30:34] it’s got them all on there.

Adrian:

Yeah, it’s amazing. They had a Futurama and Simpsons crossover.

Mark:

Yeah.

Adrian:

It’s pretty good. Crossovers only suck [crosstalk 01:30:42]-

Mark:

I’m sure, if anyone watches them anymore, but that’s cool.

Adrian:

You don’t watch them?

Mark:

Nah.

Adrian:

Oh man, you’re missing out. So Adrian?

Mark:

Yes.

Adrian:

Science in your religion.

Mark:

Tell me about it.

Adrian:

So what you have, back in, what, the 1800’s, right?

Mark:

Yeah.

Adrian:

You had the church and you had the state or the King, I should say, right. So basically the church would say, listen to your King. And then the King would say, make sure you go to church, right?

Adrian:

And then the church would also say, well, the King was selected by God and this is the way of God. So you must listen to your King. And anyone who went out of that was ostracized. And more than that, they were told that their soul would burn in hell. So you had to listen to your King because it was a moral obligation of your soul.

Adrian:

It was this higher force. You have to listen to the King. So if the King said, we’re going to raise taxes, you would say, well that’s the will of God. Yes, I will accept these taxes because if I don’t accept these taxes, God will spite me down.

Mark:

Okay.

Adrian:

Right. Modern day version of that is the state, the government and the media. So with media and government, media whatever it is, the media station, Rupert Murdoch, whoever it is, gets on the phone to the politicians. What are you doing for us?

Adrian:

Politicians are saying, well, we need coverage. Okay, we’ll give you coverage, but what are you going to do for us? Well, we’ll give you this and this. Okay, maybe I want this and this. Okay, we will … And you see this in America, right? You’ve got the networks that support Hillary and you know the Democratics and you’ve got the networks that support Republicans, what is it, like Fox is a Republican network. I’m not sure the democratic networks, but you, you’ve got that.

Adrian:

So you’ve got politicians who now are essentially your kings and you’ve got the media, your networks, and this includes Facebook and this includes YouTube obviously, but it certainly includes Facebook, because Facebook does determine what you basically see.

Mark:

I found that during the election they would favor their preference in terms of they were left leaning they would favor left leaning posts that will positively supporting that gain. Same in the negative.

Adrian:

Correct. So it’s not objective, right. So then what my philosophy in the way I view it now is in the world today, right, 2020, we have the influencer, right?

Adrian:

The influencer. The influencer is the person on social media or it’s not even the influencer, today actually it’s even more so. It’s like science as a whole and there was something that I got sent that I want to-

Mark:

Yeah you kind of see the media having a fallback now of the whole fake news.

Adrian:

Oh yeah and Trump is hilarious.

Mark:

Yeah, he’s the best, I’ll have anything that pisses him off.

Adrian:

Yeah-

Mark:

He was directly the best one … He’s so funny to watch.

Adrian:

He’s so funny.

Mark:

He’s so funny.

Adrian:

He got put into politics and I think his opening speech was, I’m not answering any questions from CNN, they’re fake news, they’re fake news.

Mark:

Yeah because you’ve got-

Adrian:

But I do, before we digress into a different issue, I want to read us something that was sent to me just recently, which said in the past, basically the headline of it is, “Editor in chief of the world’s best known medical journal says half of all the literature is false”. Quotation marks. Science has taken a turn towards darkness.

Adrian:

Now, in the past few years more professionals have come forward to share such truth that for many people provide difficult to swallow.

Adrian:

One such authority is Dr. Richard Horton, the current editor in chief of the Lancet considered to be one of the world’s most respected peer reviewed medical journals.

Adrian:

Dr. Horton recently published a statement declaring that a lot of the published research is in fact unreliable at best, if not completely false. Now this is huge when I read this I was like, fuck this is a big deal and I think people have seen this. But he went on the record to say the case against science is straightforward, much of the scientific literature, perhaps half maybe simply untrue, afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid expository analysis and fragrant conflicts of interest together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness.

Adrian:

Now, if that wasn’t enough, a chief editor of the New England Journal Masella Angela is considered another one of the world’s prestigious journals also made her view quite known on the topic and said it is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authorities medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in the conclusion which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as editor of the New England Journal of Medicine.

Adrian:

Now, the reason why I wanted to get on to this and say like science is the new religion is because what people do now is if you go against, let’s say the science, now we see it all the time in our industry, right? With calories in versus calories out. If you even present there’s gut issues at play, or you say, this is someone’s immune system. It’s not just about calories. Well, you must be an idiot.

Adrian:

So instead of it being a attack on our souls and our enlightenment of going to hit a heaven or hell, right? People attack us through science and say, you must be an idiot. Or you’re one of those, oh, you’re an anti-vaxxer.

Mark:

This is the evidence.

Adrian:

I’m not an anti-vaxxer. I want to know the truth. But when, say for example, in an example of a vaccinations, when you make it, you’re not allowed to report vaccination injuries and you’re not even allowed to talk about it or bring it up. And if you say, Hey, you know that when you … There’s a vaccination injury doesn’t get reported. Well you’re on anti-vaxxer. No, nothing doing anti-vaxxer.

Mark:

Like it’s like how do we know if it’s directly related to the answer?

Adrian:

I just want to know the truth [inaudible 01:36:11]. I don’t care who has the answer as long as I get to know it, right?

Mark:

Yeah.

Adrian:

And that’s what science is, that’s what it’s supposed to be.

Adrian:

So when I say it’s now morphed into this thing of when we have credible research and science. That’s what we need to get back to without the agenda of pushing forward of the way it’s supposed to be or the way we think it is. Or allowing the corporations to manipulate, whether it’s the food or the big pharma manipulate the research and data to push an agenda of making money. That’s not science, and I think more scientists, more people, more consumers, more clinicians need to stand up against this nonsense because it’s intolerable.

Adrian:

We might as well go back. I mean if that is the way forward for the scientific community, we might as well go back to church. Get on our knees and pray to a God and hope for the best.

Mark:

Yeah, but most studies have to be funded from somewhere. All studies have to be funded from somewhere [crosstalk 00:07:03]-

Adrian:

Yeah there is made clear where there is an abuse-

Mark:

Yeah and that’s what’s needed eventually, can’t base your, I guess your judgment off a single study and that’s why they have things like meta analysis where it’s like a whole control group of studies on the subject and it’s like this many suggesting that.

Adrian:

Oh, I 100% agree. So with all these studies that’s kind of like … And they need to fit a certain criteria as well. I know there’s going to be heaps that are probably not relevant or miss certain things.

Adrian:

Particularly when it comes to, even if we like putting it in our industry, if we’re doing studies on training and how someone you know, glute activation drills and things like that. It’s like, well who’s the person being trained? Are they general pop? Are they someone who constantly-

Mark:

Correct, context versus content-

Adrian:

Yeah, exactly.

Mark:

One hundred percent.

Adrian:

It’s like that might … That is pointing that way but is that relevant-

Mark:

It is over reliance-

Adrian:

Yeah.

Mark:

And this is what I’m saying is the people who are using, taking that study and then saying this is the gospel according to science, when they haven’t actually taken all the facts and they’re blindly-

Adrian:

Yeah, that’s definitely a dangerous thing we can’t follow either. There’s one study that comes out, that’s why you kind of need to take a step back and it’s like this is where I think the whole … Even something like a vegan agenda comes from.

Adrian:

It’s like, well meat is bad for you. It’s clear cut, this study said so and it’s like, well no, when they looked into it, when they do a … Where is it? It’s like a-

Mark:

Meta analysis?

Adrian:

Not meta analysis where it’s like an observation-

Mark:

Yes.

Adrian:

Of a group of people. What’s the word I’m looking for?

Mark:

I’m not sure. Observational study?

Adrian:

Nah, it’s not observational. It’s like-

Mark:

But this is also what I’m talking about though, right. So you have the king of let’s say of carnivorous diets and you have-

Adrian:

Epidemiology. Sorry, epidemiological study.

Mark:

And you have the king of the vegans, right. And you know, king or queen of each camp.

Mark:

And then both of these are then using science or said science to prop up their opinions.

Adrian:

Yeah.

Mark:

And then people go, Oh well look at the science. And then this camp is saying, my science is better than yours. This camp is saying my science is … I mean, there was no better example in that when, if you heard the debate on the Joe Rogan show between-

Adrian:

Oh that was a disaster.

Mark:

James Wilkes and Chris Kresser, where basically it was a debate of my science is better than your science, which to me is-

Adrian:

And it was like an appeal to … It was like their appeal to a higher power, again, it’s like that’s-

Mark:

Oh constantly, constantly. [crosstalk 01:39:19].

Adrian:

APpeal to higher … This person knows better than you, so you’re wrong.

Mark:

Yes.

Adrian:

And it was just like-

Mark:

So it’s exactly my point. [crosstalk 01:39:24].

Adrian:

It’s appeal to higher authority-

Mark:

Instead of your soul being condemned because God is going to get you and spite you instead of them using this third party they’re using science, oh you must be simple.

Mark:

You must be stupid. [crosstalk 01:39:38].

Adrian:

How wrong it went, that whole fucking movie. The-

Mark:

The Game Changers.

Adrian:

The Game Changers. That was the best example of how it can go so wrong. The best in example was I think Brad Scofield. He did a study, so an actual scientist he study was used to support their agenda and he come in and said that’s not even what I meant.

Mark:

Yeah he said that a few times.

Adrian:

Like he was like no, that’s not the fucking point of it. He’s like, that’s not what the conclusion was, you’ve cherry picked one statement out of the whole thing.

Adrian:

The point is that most of us don’t know how to read research papers-

Mark:

Correct.

Adrian:

And it’s you’re picking, they’re picking one study and it’s like this one study said this, this one study said that, well overall it’s not pointing to the fact that a vegan diet is superior. It’s pointing to like you watching what you fucking put in your mouth is superior.

Mark:

A hundred percent.

Adrian:

Yeah.

Mark:

So anyway, my point being that people put a lot of reliance and when you start asking questions instead of being met with you must be an idiot. Usually there’s reasons why people ask these questions and I think if you disarm people from the fact of having these conversations, a lot of it gets pushed underground.

Mark:

There’s certainly like when you talk about sensitive issues with vaccinations, I think one of the reasons why that’s sensitive is because children are involved.

Adrian:

Yeah.

Mark:

But when we push down, I think really there needs to be a lot more of a level headed to and fro getting the top people in the world at these topics, giving them forums like YouTube or whatever it is, and actually get them to have an open discussion and come together and think without corporations and I live in a very idealistic way this would be, but actually coming to the truth I think that would be-

Adrian:

I just don’t think even some people just always they … You can’t change someone’s mind. Like I’m not going to sit here and debate a vegan because at the end of the day we’re just both going to end up pissed off.

Mark:

You can discuss with the vegan.

Adrian:

What’s that?

Mark:

You can discuss with a vegan.

Adrian:

Can I? But I’ll still think they’re wrong at the end of the day.

Mark:

But it’s not necessarily, well, yeah, true.

Adrian:

Yeah. It’s just like, yeah, what are we to discuss? It’s like you do your thing. You do mine, just don’t make me do your thing.

Mark:

But again this comes back to my point that people are going to be using science as a religion.

Adrian:

Yeah and pushing it. It’s like, you need to do this because this says that.

Mark:

Yes, because science said so.

Adrian:

So, so you think it’s now a science … What is it? Government and science state.

Mark:

Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean that’s a big part of it too, right? The government props up what well, this is facts.

Adrian:

I think that’s a better thing than relying on religion to prop up your other side. It’s like as long as if they’re doing it in the right way-

Mark:

It’s still smoke and mirrors though [foreign language 01:41:59].

Adrian:

Is it though?

Mark:

Because if the science is fake. If they purposely falsified data, which often happens-

Adrian:

No, I think that’s a big one to go down. Like that’s a big what-if, and I’m sure it’s definitely going to happen, but I think on the whole it’s a better option than say-

Mark:

Well maybe if you look at what, genetically modified foods that is what happens. You know, they passed the bill rapidly. What was the chairman of Monsanto then became the chairman of the FDA, ran it, passed the bill and then went back to Monsanto.

Adrian:

Yeah.

Mark:

And became on the board of Monsanto and it was this revolving door between the FDA and Monsanto to get bills passed, which is very scary and that’s certainly the science and the things that the reports of things that had to get approved needed two years, three years of trialing and testing, but instead it was dumped in and said, you need to review these today, oh when are they due? Today.

Mark:

Well that they don’t happen in today. That’s where the science gets scary and that’s where people say, oh you must be a tinfoil hat wearing, well hang on, it’s not tinfoil hat wearing when there is a line and there is-

Adrian:

Yeah, I think it’s like anything that you should always side on the caution of always be skeptical even of the … You know what I mean?

Mark:

Yes.

Adrian:

Be skeptical of what’s presented to you and it’s just like, okay. It’s like if it’s presented enough then it’s obviously pointing in the right direction.

Mark:

Be skeptical but don’t always have a default mechanism of pointing to the other side and assuming that they’re wrong because they don’t believe the same as you.

Adrian:

Yeah, exactly right.

Mark:

You need to come at it with an open mind.

Adrian:

Except vegans, they’re wrong.

Mark:

Maybe we switch gears into the final topic of today.

Adrian:

What is it? You tell me. This is all you Mark.

Mark:

This is all me. It’s all me, huh. I thought it was all you.

Adrian:

Is it?

Mark:

Yeah.

Adrian:

Okay. Fitness industry. What’s happening? Are we all fucked?

Mark:

Well, my biggest concern, this is my biggest concern.

Adrian:

Yeah.

Mark:

Is that Covid-19 has made people scared of people.

Adrian:

Okay.

Mark:

Now I don’t necessarily think this is the case, but I did go to the supermarket and the thought did cross my mind where I saw this woman, she had white gloves on, a hat, sunglasses and white face mask and I was just buying some butter and there’s this girl behind me.

Mark:

She was waiting me for me to move. She wasn’t far away from me. She waiting for me to move, just being polite, got my butter. She walked past, oh, you can go pass. No, no, no, no. She freaked out. Freaked out!

Mark:

I’m like, this girl, lady, older woman, whatever it was, she was freaked out at human contact and I was like, wow, that is some shit man.

Adrian:

That is-

Mark:

That is some shit. And I think there were some people who potentially after this is going to be freaked out by human contact.

Adrian:

This will change a lot of people the way they interact in the world.

Mark:

So I think on one side you’ll have people who are like, yeah, it’s fine. You know, there’s more a risk of me getting in a car accident or doing something else. So that’s one side of the coin. I think the other side is people are going to be freaked out.

Mark:

So as it relates to the fitness industry, I think we probably will go through a lull. I don’t … I think the ones who want to train, we’ll come back and can’t wait and things will be, I mean-

Adrian:

I’m getting that vibe. Like a lot of people are missing it and I think I am thinking that a lot of people will kind of take this time as oh, I am actually at risk.

Mark:

Yes.

Adrian:

This is targeting smokers, it’s targeting diabetics, anyone with liver issues. And it’s like, oh fuck.

Mark:

I need to get my shit in order.

Adrian:

That’s me, I smoke, I drink, I’m nearly diabetic. I’m like, I will die if I get this thing. So it’s like I need to change my lifestyle habits because this is like … Even though they’re probably on the same path that they were going to be, whether they got Covid or not, they’re still at the same risk of getting any other disease that’s going to make them sick and potentially die.

Mark:

It’s true. Accelerated.

Adrian:

So now it’s just like, oh shit, big slap in the face.

Mark:

So we’ve certainly taken a lull or we’ve certainly taken here fitness. Everyone is taking a hit. Right?

Adrian:

Yeah.

Mark:

That’s everyone. So the question is when gyms are allowed to reopen, will there be a spike?

Adrian:

Well, I think it will be January 1st. [crosstalk 01:45:49].

Mark:

The only way is up for us, right?

Adrian:

I reckon.

Mark:

The only way is up. It really is. We can’t get any … This is the worst thing that could happen to the fitness community really. Or gyms everywhere is closing. Being forced to close.

Adrian:

I genuinely think it will be flooded with all the main goers. Like there’ll be like raring to get back in.

Mark:

The only thing I see with personal training is a lot of people dropping their pants. And what I mean by that is I think you’ll see a lot of trainers who are nervous, price slashing.

Adrian:

Okay, yeah. To get people-

Mark:

Correct. If they’re charging whatever they’re charging. They put it in half or whatever, and then they’re stuck with clients.

Mark:

And this is more on, I suppose on high level strategies. They’re stuck with clients who are underpaying them.

Adrian:

Yeah.

Mark:

Not paying their full rates and then actually business is going to turn over less.

Adrian:

Yeah, they’re going to try and ramp it up.

Mark:

If the market stayed true and just say these are my rates and we’ll go back and I think people will pay it. But look, the unpredicted abilities is this.

Mark:

The unpredictabilities is people as always, people losing their jobs.

Mark:

Is the money, so people might want to train, but do they have the financial means? Will things like personal training going to the basket of a luxury item? Will gyms go into to the basket of … Like people going outdoors and they say I actually prefer outdoors now. I don’t think that’s true. I think people, everyone who’s kind of [inaudible 01:47:04] from the gym and then ends up doing like a barbell workout or whatever it is, they all said, oh fuck this is so much, this is so much better.

Mark:

So everyone is like oh, I love it outside and then they go into the gym and like, oh this is so much better.

Adrian:

Yeah.

Mark:

So I think people will quickly adapt. So yeah, look businesses on a whole, let’s hope for the spike, that’s what I want to see.

Mark:

And if we get a spike, awesome. You know, off to the races we go, but are we fucked? I don’t think we are. Only as fucked as long as we’re closed. Yeah. I think once we’re open we can manage.

Adrian:

The fact that everyone’s in the same boat though. I think that makes it easier on the industry as well.

Mark:

Yes. Correct. Yes, because it’s a level playing field. It’s not like a business who wasn’t getting … No one’s showing up.

Adrian:

Yes.

Mark:

And they’re just alone. It’s just like, well, it’s not your fault, you know what I mean?

Adrian:

That’s correct. It’s not like some gyms can open and some gyms can’t.

Mark:

Yeah.

Adrian:

Yeah.

Mark:

So yeah. I’m expecting to see a spike. I know I’ll be raring to get back in, but obviously it’s suddenly come all about though.

Adrian:

Yes. Yes, it will be interesting times.

Mark:

Yeah.

Adrian:

Other questions about business? Yeah. What personal trainers should do during Covid. What should we do?

Mark:

I’ve done … I’ve done quite a few group calls, and wolf pack and stuff on this, so you know, play within the rules.

Mark:

You can still do park sessions. So nothing like, a few of my coaching students have really got on their grill about this but what should they do is if they haven’t already, man, call every single client and let them know that just because the gym’s closed that they don’t have to stop training.

Adrian:

Yeah.

Mark:

Get them in the park and the first week they might say, no, that’s fine.

Mark:

Call them the second week. That’s fine. Call them again third week, fourth week, fifth.

Adrian:

Yeah so they’re fine. They’re raring to get out now. And it’s like-

Mark:

Yeah because people were like, you know when this happened, yeah it’s three weeks I won’t train. And then it’s like, no, it’s not going to be three, it’s going to be six weeks, oh it’s going to be more weeks.

Adrian:

Yeah, as soon as that happened, it was just go, fuck man, I better adjust to this.

Mark:

And then speaking people’s language it’s like I get it, you’re at home, address the elephant in the room. You’re not doing anything, you’re in insulation, you’re probably getting fatter. Right? You’re probably eating the wrong foods. It’s easy to do nothing. It’s so easy to do nothing right now. And you having these personal conversations with your clients and explaining like, it’s absolutely easy to do nothing. I’m going to encourage you, well, don’t do that because it was Will Smith who said it’s a lot easier to stay ready than it is to get ready.

Mark:

So in saying that, focus on staying ready, just keeping that routine. Okay. The gym’s not the same as when we train in the gym. You’re not able to do heavy squats and all that, but you are able to get a workout. You’re able to keep that routine, you’re able to keep that sanity.

Mark:

So let’s keep that going. And really I think your clients for personal trainers actually need their trainer even more during this period, not less. So it’s actually a place to lean-

Adrian:

The accountability aspect is the biggest thing.

Mark:

Lean into it.

Adrian:

Don’t lean out. Lean into it. Get on the phone call. I said to one of my students in my mentoring group, I said, what are you doing? He said, I’m redoing my logo.

Adrian:

Okay, that’s great. Logos don’t make you money. You know it does make you money? Calling people, call your clients. I said, you have to give me a report by 7 o’clock, how many clients have called and how many have taken you up on that park offer? I called back, he said, seven of my clients have taken me up on my park offer.

Adrian:

In dollar dollar value, obviously that’s a few dollars a week extra that he made out of nothing, but he wasn’t earning. So I think the default for trainers, I think the default for people is to do nothing. And I think-

Mark:

And wait it out, sitting, hiding, go into hiding.

Adrian:

You can still play within the rules.

Mark:

Yeah.

Adrian:

You can get your clients online, you can do a Skype workout, you can do group workouts for your clients, you can do park workouts for your clients. You can still play within the rules, which is perfectly fine.

Adrian:

And, and that’s what I would say. You know, the gold standard right now you still have a face to face client one-on-one in the park, that would be the gold standard. Down below that is you’re doing online training.

Adrian:

So either training they got a home set up and they get on … And look, if I was a consumer I wasn’t doing my workout and that, that would be a godsend, right? To have my trainer actually hold me accountable at seven o’clock I have to stop my day and I have to train, right? Because otherwise I’m not going to do it, right.

Adrian:

But my trainer is there. I’m not going to do nothing, he told me to do some squats-

Mark:

Yeah you’ve got to report to him at the end of the day.

Adrian:

Yeah, I’ve got to do something and I feel so much better from doing that, right. It’s actually worth the price of investments if for just the accountability factor and to have someone do to break my routine because is these unbelievably easy right now to do absolutely nothing.

Mark:

And in terms of coaches, it’s a good chance for them to work on how to keep them accountable when they’re not with you in the gym is to work on those procedures and their reporting structures. Like we do our check-ins here.

Mark:

It’s like now they’re like, oh actually, like now I get to see how I can set them up properly. So it’s like, now I’ve got to work on how that, what they’re doing outside of the gym.

Adrian:

The other thing that’s very important for trainers is you want to keep all your clients marinading, cooking at this time. So it’s not about necessarily giving them the same service because you know you’re not able to do that, but it’s about when we open, they’re engaged and they’re ready.

Adrian:

They’re not thinking oh, too hot.

Mark:

Yeah.

Adrian:

It’s actually you’ve kept them, you’ve kept them going, you’ve kept them engaged, you’ve kept them on track to the best that you can right now. Because as you said at the start of this conversation around Tron, the analogy of the Tron factor.

Mark:

Yeah, we’re just going with the flow right now, we’ll change direction [crosstalk 01:52:22].

Adrian:

Let’s just keep going.

Mark:

Yeah.

Adrian:

And then when we open, it’s a lot easier than pivot. If we do nothing then you’ve stopped momentum. So it doesn’t make any sense to do nothing. Keep those park sessions, keep online, regularly contact weekly. I mean you’re not doing the same amount of sessions. You’ve got time on your hands, you should be calling every client at least once a week.

Mark:

The biggest one yet, body weight is going to keep them as well. Injury preventing as well. It’s like if you just let them sit at home doing nothing and they’re doing that, they’re going to come in tight, they’re going to come in and you’re going to have to go through that whole process of going through the structural balance.

Mark:

This is a great time to lay foundations of that physical strength, get them comfortable, get them feeling the muscle groups a lot more. Get them in control and a pushup.

Mark:

This is a great chance, like how many people can do the pistol squat? How many people can do a chin up? There’s plenty of things to work on, just body weight alone.

Adrian:

Heaps of things to work on. And even just a very simple level, everyone can stretch.

Mark:

Yeah, oh fuck after doing that gymnastic body stretch routine.

Adrian:

Yeah.

Mark:

It’s fucked. It’s not a stretch routine. It’s fucked.

Adrian:

It’s a workout.

Mark:

It’s so fucked.

Adrian:

It’s awesome. Love it. So that that would be my overall tips and I would resist the urge to do anything major in business right now.

Adrian:

I know some people are thinking about, oh now’s the time to open up my second shop or close my shop or whatever it is. I think either way-

Mark:

Or completely change the business model.

Adrian:

Exactly right, I think it’s probably the one of the worst things you can do because you know the truth is when you’re thinking of business, what you want do is you want to go out to the market and ask the market what they want.

Adrian:

You know I had thoughts about enterprise around and maybe I should change what we’re doing or change the model or do this or maybe we should do this, and this differently.

Adrian:

And I spoke to one of my friends and he’s like man, ask the market. I’m like that’s such a good point because I don’t even know what the market is because I’m isolated. I’m so out of touch, I’m not speaking to people going, hey man, what do you want? And when you get on the phone and you talk to people and it all calms down and you see people face to face and-

Mark:

They all want to get back in.

Adrian:

And then the fog moves. You say man, what do you … I want to do PT, I want to do one-on-one. I don’t need to change shit. I don’t need to change shit, I just needed to wait. That’s all I needed to do.

Mark:

Yeah.

Adrian:

Just needed to wait.

Mark:

And that was the other thing with like building those, you know the online workout videos, we’re just filming before.

Mark:

It’s like now I’m not calling them just for isolation. It’s like when someone goes away on holidays, bang, you’ve got a video to send them now.

Adrian:

Travel guide.

Mark:

Travel guide now. That’s what it is.

Adrian:

Evergreen.

Mark:

Yeah, exactly right. Is it something that we can now … It’s like, Oh great, I don’t have to now show him in the session how to do these body weight exercises. It’s like boom, videos, videos.

Adrian:

And the other thing I’ll say for a lot of trainers is now’s a great time to learn.

Mark:

Yeah.

Adrian:

You know, I’ve got my sales mastery course. I’ve got my Wolf Pack online resource, business course that I provide trainers with and it’s like I’ve got one guy in my group who is going through all my material and there’s no doubt when he gets back, he’s ready.

Mark:

Yeah.

Adrian:

It’s like in Batman Begins, I’ll use this analogy, right? You know Bruce Wayne is Bruce Wayne, and then he goes and he wants to be more, he wants to be someone else, right? Wants to be Batman.

Adrian:

And he goes with Ra’s al Guhl and he lives with criminals and he purposely gets thrown in the world’s worst prison and he learns how to fight and he puts himself in these positions. He blocks himself down, he learns all these things to then go back to his Gotham City and be the Batman and overcome.

Adrian:

And it’s the same thing now in business for businesses everywhere, not just trainers, but this side of lockdown is you’ll lockdown how you emerge out of this.

Adrian:

You can be the Dark Knight rising to save Gotham City and fight another day and be at a completely different level. Or you can say, poor me and do jack shit and go back to-

Adrian:

A bit of Bain and try and blow everything up.

Mark:

So should we leave it there, Adrian?

Adrian:

Yeah, it’s done.

Mark:

All right.

Adrian:

I’ve had enough of you already, back into isolation. Fuck off.

Mark:

Let’s do our roundup.

Adrian:

Yeah. Awesome. Good seeing you again.

Mark:

Yes, likewise.

Adrian:

Back to isolation.

Mark:

What’s your Instagram?

Adrian:

Adrian underscore Faranda.

Mark:

You want people to follow you?

Adrian:

Yeah, sure give us a follow.

Adrian:

I post things occasionally when I feel like it.

Mark:

So don’t worry about following him, follow me @markottobry.

Mark:

And of course one place you definitely should follow is follow Adrian, follow me and follow Enterprise @enterprisefitnessmelbourne.

Mark:

If you haven’t subscribed already, what are you doing? Hit subscribe.

Mark:

Definitely subscribe on YouTube to all our great clips. Adrian’s done a video series that’s coming out very soon. What is that?

Adrian:

Yes, the workouts you’re talking about.

Mark:

Yeah. Tell us about it.

Adrian:

The workouts. So they’re going to be for our online and park training clients. So just so they have something to reference and they can learn the movements at home.

Mark:

Yeah. So-

Adrian:

Instead of just riding the program and then trying to back and forth between their coach, it has …

Mark:

Streamline.

Adrian:

Yeah, streamline.

Mark:

But we’re providing it as a resource on YouTube for everyone.

Adrian:

Are we?

Mark:

Yeah.

Adrian:

Okay.

Mark:

Our whole YouTube communities.

Adrian:

Oh nice.

Mark:

So that’ll be great. So make sure you subscribe for that one. Adrian didn’t even know that, he’s like, I thought it was just for clients.

Mark:

No, we’re putting it on YouTube, so make sure this is why you want to subscribe. So subscribe. We’ve got some good stuff coming down the traps, so hit that button, subscribe.

Mark:

If you’re listening to this in your car on iTunes, make sure you leave us a review. That’d be always appreciated. We do these shows, we love to hear your thoughts, so let us know. Let us know what you think and you know, let us know. Send us some love on the social medias.

Mark:

Final thoughts?

Adrian:

No. Stay safe, stay at home.

Mark:

Stay safe, stay home. And I’ll finish up on saying train hard, eat well and [inaudible 01:57:33] smart.

Speaker 3:

Don’t stop rolling, got to get home, hurt my body going to keep on rolling.

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